From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/11] qemu: MSI-X support functions
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:03:06 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090610170306.GL28601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200906101746.06740.paul@codesourcery.com>
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:46:03PM +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
> > > If you can't create an identical machine from scratch then I don't
> > > consider snapshot/migration to be a useful feature. i.e. as soon as you
> > > shutdown and restart the guest it is liable to break anyway.
> >
> > Why is liable to break?
>
> A VM booted on an old version of qemu and migrated to a new version will
> behave differently to a the same VM booted on a new version of qemu.
It will behave identically. That's what the patch does: discover
how did the device behave on old qemu, and make it behave the same way
on new qemu.
> I hope I don't need to explain why this is bad.
>
> As previously discussed, any guest visible changes are liable to break a guest
> OS, particularly guests like Windows which deliberately break when run on
> "different" hardware. Personally I don't particularly care, but if we support
> live migration we also need to support "cold" migration - i.e. shutdown and
> restart.
>
> >So once you load and image with MSIX capability off,
> >it will stay off across guest restarts.
>
> I'm assuming guest restart includes restarting qemu.
>
> Paul
If you restart qemu, and load an image, what we should do is look at the
image and behave in a way consistent with how the qemu that created the
image behaved. If you load an image, you switch to a VM, and should be
consistent with the VM you just loaded. And we do not need a flag or a
machine description file to tell us this.
--
MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/11] qemu: MSI-X support functions
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:03:06 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090610170306.GL28601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200906101746.06740.paul@codesourcery.com>
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:46:03PM +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
> > > If you can't create an identical machine from scratch then I don't
> > > consider snapshot/migration to be a useful feature. i.e. as soon as you
> > > shutdown and restart the guest it is liable to break anyway.
> >
> > Why is liable to break?
>
> A VM booted on an old version of qemu and migrated to a new version will
> behave differently to a the same VM booted on a new version of qemu.
It will behave identically. That's what the patch does: discover
how did the device behave on old qemu, and make it behave the same way
on new qemu.
> I hope I don't need to explain why this is bad.
>
> As previously discussed, any guest visible changes are liable to break a guest
> OS, particularly guests like Windows which deliberately break when run on
> "different" hardware. Personally I don't particularly care, but if we support
> live migration we also need to support "cold" migration - i.e. shutdown and
> restart.
>
> >So once you load and image with MSIX capability off,
> >it will stay off across guest restarts.
>
> I'm assuming guest restart includes restarting qemu.
>
> Paul
If you restart qemu, and load an image, what we should do is look at the
image and behave in a way consistent with how the qemu that created the
image behaved. If you load an image, you switch to a VM, and should be
consistent with the VM you just loaded. And we do not need a flag or a
machine description file to tell us this.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-10 18:06 UTC|newest]
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2009-05-25 12:12 ` [PATCHv2] qemu: make default_write_config use mask table Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:24 ` [PATCH 01/11] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 02/11] qemu: capability bits in pci save/restore Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 03/11] qemu: add routines to manage PCI capabilities Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 9:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 9:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 9:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 9:30 ` [PATCH] qemu: fix pci_find_capability for multiple caps Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 9:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 9:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 04/11] qemu: helper routines for pci access Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 2:33 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 2:33 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 2:33 ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-05-26 6:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 6:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 8:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 8:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-26 8:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 6:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 05/11] qemu: MSI-X support functions Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-09 23:19 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-09 23:19 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-09 23:19 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 9:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 9:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 9:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:07 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:07 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:07 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:39 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:39 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:39 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 14:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 15:15 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 15:15 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 15:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 15:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 15:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 16:08 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 16:08 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 16:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 16:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 16:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 16:46 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 16:46 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 16:46 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-06-10 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 17:30 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 17:30 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 18:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 18:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 19:04 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 19:04 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-11 8:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-11 8:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-11 8:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 19:04 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 18:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-10 17:30 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 16:08 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 15:15 ` Paul Brook
2009-06-10 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 06/11] qemu: add flag to disable MSI-X by default Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [PATCH 07/11] qemu: minimal MSI/MSI-X implementation for PC Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] qemu: add support for resizing regions Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] qemu: virtio support for many interrupt vectors Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] qemu: MSI-X support in virtio PCI Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] qemu: request 3 vectors in virtio-net Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-05-25 12:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
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