From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when feature is disabled
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:52:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090615065232.GC18390@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090612153501.GA5737@elte.hu>
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 05:35:01PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > This seems like trying to handle a failure mode that cannot be
> > > and shouldnt be 'handled' really. If there's an 'already
> > > corrupted' page then the box should go down hard and fast, and
> > > we should not risk _even more user data corruption_ by trying to
> > > 'continue' in the hope of having hit some 'harmless' user
> > > process that can be killed ...
> >
> > No, the box should _not_ go down hard-and-fast. That's the last
> > thing we should *ever* do.
> >
> > We need to log it. Often at a user level (ie we want to make sure
> > it actually hits syslog, possibly goes out the network, maybe pops
> > up a window, whatever).
> >
> > Shutting down the machine is the last thing we ever want to do.
> >
> > The whole "let's panic" mentality is a disease.
>
> No doubt about that - and i'm removing BUG_ON()s and panic()s
> wherever i can and havent added a single new one myself in the past
> 5 years or so, its a disease.
In HA failover systems you often do want to panic ASAP (after logging
to serial cosole I guess) if anything like this happens so the system
can be rebooted with minimal chance of data corruption spreading.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when feature is disabled
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:52:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090615065232.GC18390@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090612153501.GA5737@elte.hu>
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 05:35:01PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > This seems like trying to handle a failure mode that cannot be
> > > and shouldnt be 'handled' really. If there's an 'already
> > > corrupted' page then the box should go down hard and fast, and
> > > we should not risk _even more user data corruption_ by trying to
> > > 'continue' in the hope of having hit some 'harmless' user
> > > process that can be killed ...
> >
> > No, the box should _not_ go down hard-and-fast. That's the last
> > thing we should *ever* do.
> >
> > We need to log it. Often at a user level (ie we want to make sure
> > it actually hits syslog, possibly goes out the network, maybe pops
> > up a window, whatever).
> >
> > Shutting down the machine is the last thing we ever want to do.
> >
> > The whole "let's panic" mentality is a disease.
>
> No doubt about that - and i'm removing BUG_ON()s and panic()s
> wherever i can and havent added a single new one myself in the past
> 5 years or so, its a disease.
In HA failover systems you often do want to panic ASAP (after logging
to serial cosole I guess) if anything like this happens so the system
can be rebooted with minimal chance of data corruption spreading.
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-11 14:22 [PATCH 0/5] [RFC] HWPOISON incremental fixes Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when feature is disabled Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 15:44 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 15:44 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:00 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:00 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 11:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 11:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 12:57 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 12:57 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 13:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 13:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 15:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 15:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 16:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 18:07 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-12 18:07 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-12 17:55 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-12 17:55 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-12 13:58 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:58 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 15:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-12 15:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-12 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:05 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 16:05 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 16:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-12 16:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-12 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-15 7:04 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 7:04 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 6:52 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-06-15 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-16 20:27 ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-16 20:27 ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-17 7:51 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17 7:51 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-12 15:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 15:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-12 16:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 2/5] HWPOISON: fix tasklist_lock/anon_vma locking order Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 15:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 15:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:03 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:03 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:07 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-12 10:07 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-12 13:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:27 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 14:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 14:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 3/5] HWPOISON: remove early kill option for now Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 9:59 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 9:59 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 4/5] HWPOISON: report sticky EIO for poisoned file Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:07 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:07 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 5/5] HWPOISON: use the safer invalidate page for possible metadata pages Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:36 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 16:36 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:56 ` [PATCH 0/5] [RFC] HWPOISON incremental fixes Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:56 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:59 ` Wu Fengguang
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