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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@amd.com>,
	aliguori@us.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/2] allow hypervisor CPUID bit to be overriden
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:23:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090625052321.GJ20289@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090624212041.GB14121@shareable.org>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:20:41PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 06/23/2009 02:31 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
> > >On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > >   
> > >>On 06/23/2009 12:47 AM, Andre Przywara wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>>KVM defaults to the hypervisor CPUID bit to be set, whereas pure QEMU
> > >>>clears it. On some occasions one want to set or clear it the other way
> > >>>round (for instance to get HyperV running inside a guest).
> > >>>Allow the default to be overridden on the command line and fix some
> > >>>whitespace damage on the way.
> > >>>       
> > >>It makes sense for qemu to set the hypervisor bit unconditionally.  A
> > >>guest running under qemu is not bare metal.
> > >>     
> > >
> > >I see no reason why a guest has to be told that it's running inside a VM.
> > >In principle an appropriately configured qemu should be indistinguishable 
> > >from
> > >real hardware. In practice it's technically infeasible to cover absolutely
> > >everything, but if we set this bit we're not even trying.
> > >
> > >I have no objection to the bit being set by default for the QEMU CPU types.
> > >   
> > 
> > I agree it's pointless, but it is a Microsoft requirement for passing 
> > their SVVP tests.  Enabling it by default makes life a little easier for 
> > users who wish to validate their hypervisor and has no drawbacks.
> 
> Hold on.
> 
> Do the SVVP tests fail on a real (non-virtal) machine then?
> 
SVVP -> Server Virtualization Validation Program

Definitely fails on a real machine :)

--
			Gleb.

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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@amd.com>,
	aliguori@us.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/2] allow hypervisor CPUID bit to be overriden
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:23:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090625052321.GJ20289@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090624212041.GB14121@shareable.org>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:20:41PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 06/23/2009 02:31 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
> > >On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > >   
> > >>On 06/23/2009 12:47 AM, Andre Przywara wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>>KVM defaults to the hypervisor CPUID bit to be set, whereas pure QEMU
> > >>>clears it. On some occasions one want to set or clear it the other way
> > >>>round (for instance to get HyperV running inside a guest).
> > >>>Allow the default to be overridden on the command line and fix some
> > >>>whitespace damage on the way.
> > >>>       
> > >>It makes sense for qemu to set the hypervisor bit unconditionally.  A
> > >>guest running under qemu is not bare metal.
> > >>     
> > >
> > >I see no reason why a guest has to be told that it's running inside a VM.
> > >In principle an appropriately configured qemu should be indistinguishable 
> > >from
> > >real hardware. In practice it's technically infeasible to cover absolutely
> > >everything, but if we set this bit we're not even trying.
> > >
> > >I have no objection to the bit being set by default for the QEMU CPU types.
> > >   
> > 
> > I agree it's pointless, but it is a Microsoft requirement for passing 
> > their SVVP tests.  Enabling it by default makes life a little easier for 
> > users who wish to validate their hypervisor and has no drawbacks.
> 
> Hold on.
> 
> Do the SVVP tests fail on a real (non-virtal) machine then?
> 
SVVP -> Server Virtualization Validation Program

Definitely fails on a real machine :)

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-22 21:47 [PATCH 1/2] allow hypervisor CPUID bit to be overriden Andre Przywara
2009-06-22 21:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara
2009-06-23 10:01 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 10:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:31   ` Paul Brook
2009-06-23 11:31     ` Paul Brook
2009-06-23 11:35     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:35       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:43       ` Paul Brook
2009-06-23 11:43         ` Paul Brook
2009-06-24 21:20       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 21:20         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25  5:23         ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-06-25  5:23           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-06-23 12:37 ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] " Andre Przywara
2009-06-23 12:37   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara
2009-06-23 14:17   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 14:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori

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