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From: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>
To: David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com>
Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
	Juergen Beisert <jbe@pengutronix.de>,
	Sascha Hauer <sha@pengutronix.de>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: flicker free booting
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:09:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090731180932.GC29245@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090731180309.GA17314@cuplxvomd02.corp.sa.net>

Hi David,

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:03:10AM -0700, David VomLehn wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 05:53:52PM +0200, Robert Schwebel wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:35:35PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:34:52PM +0200, Robert Schwebel wrote:
> > > > Could flickerfree-bootsplash be a topic? Or is that completely
> > > > pushed into the userspace these fastboot days?
> ...
> > So what I would like to see is this:
> > 
> > a) power on
> > b) almost immediately (< 1s) a splash screen appears
> > c) optionally be able to do some animation, progress bar etc
> > d) application appears (instantanously or by fading)
> 
> This is an issue that I think is common to many embedded platforms, but I'm
> not sure this is the solution. (I'm not sure it's *not* the solution, either).

I hope it is more a call-for-discussion :-)

> The question I've been looking at is: do sub-second boot times make
> all this a moot point? After all, if you can bring up your graphics
> driver in a fraction of a second and use *it* to display a splash
> screen, it seems like it would meet your need to give almost immediate
> feedback to users that the system is alive.

Yup, that would be cool.

However, on flash-based systems in the ARM926 / 200...400 MHz class
(which is still quite common) the boot time up to the point where the
penguin appears is still about 3...4 s [1] which is too long. So I
suspect until systems become faster, we'll have no other choice than
such as scenario.

rsc

[1] we can do some benchmarking next week
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-31 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-02 15:22 Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit James Bottomley
2009-06-02 17:29 ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-02 17:42   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-02 17:52     ` David VomLehn
2009-06-02 18:25       ` James Bottomley
2009-06-02 18:51         ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-02 19:30           ` Tim Bird
2009-06-02 20:37             ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " James Bottomley
2009-06-02 20:44               ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:34               ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-03  3:35                 ` Greg KH
     [not found]                   ` <20090731152617.GW29245@pengutronix.de>
2009-07-31 15:53                     ` flicker free booting Robert Schwebel
2009-07-31 18:03                       ` David VomLehn
2009-07-31 18:09                         ` Robert Schwebel [this message]
2009-07-31 18:42                           ` Bill Gatliff
2009-08-03  8:19                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-08-03  8:37                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-07-31 18:46                         ` Bill Gatliff
2009-07-31 19:48                           ` Tim Bird
2009-07-31 19:51                             ` Bill Gatliff
2009-07-31 20:05                             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-08-01  1:26                               ` Tim Bird
2009-07-31 19:25                       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-08-01 14:25                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-03  0:03               ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit David VomLehn
2009-06-03  0:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  1:42                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-02 22:21   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-03  6:24     ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-10 23:13     ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-14  3:48       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-10 23:08   ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-02 17:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 17:45   ` David VomLehn
2009-06-02 18:46     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 17:48   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-03 12:17     ` Mark Brown
2009-06-04 18:18     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 21:10   ` Russell King
2009-06-02 21:16     ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:16     ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:16       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-04 20:15       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 21:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-02 21:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-02 21:18       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-03  7:07       ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-02 21:40     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-02 21:40     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-02 21:40       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-02 21:48       ` Russell King
2009-06-04 20:08     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-04 20:08       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-04 20:08     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <3340601010994331832@unknownmsgid>
2009-06-04 20:24       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-03  6:53   ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-03 13:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-03 13:18   ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-03 13:45     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-03 14:11       ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-03 14:06   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-03 16:19   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-03 17:09     ` Russell King
2009-06-03 18:43       ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-03 19:01         ` James Bottomley
2009-06-04  3:11         ` David VomLehn (dvomlehn)
2009-06-04  3:24           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-04  3:24             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-04  9:23           ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-03 19:08     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-10  9:42     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2009-06-16  6:42 ` Mike Rapoport
2009-06-16  8:06   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-16  8:06     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-16 12:19     ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-17  4:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-17 15:04         ` Ralf Baechle
2009-06-17 17:14           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-16 16:06     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-16 18:18       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 19:28         ` Grant Likely
2009-06-16 20:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 20:10             ` Marcel Holtmann
2009-06-16 21:04             ` Grant Likely
2009-06-18  3:05   ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-17 14:31 ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-18  2:51   ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-19  2:59     ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-19  3:00       ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-19  7:53         ` Kumar Gala

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