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From: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	ksummit-2009-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-e
Subject: Re: Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:40:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090602214005.GL32630@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090602211057.GA10800@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:10:58PM +0100, Russell King wrote:
> I really don't think combining SoC support is going to be realistic,
> device tree or not.  When we had just four machine types (RiscPC,
> EBSA110, EBSA285, Netwinder) I did look into this and came to the
> conclusion that it would be far too inefficient for there to be any
> win.
>
> The big problem we have is that the only commonality between different
> SoCs is that the CPU executes ARM instructions.  Everything else is
> entirely up to the SoC designer - eg location of memory, spacing of
> memory banks, type of interrupt controller, etc is all highly SoC
> specific.  Nothing outside of the ARM CPU itself is standardized.

And even with the cpu core, we usually build kernels with optimized
toolchains for their cpu family. But nevertheless - describing hardware
inside a mach* makes sense.

rsc
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From: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	ksummit-2009-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Subject: Re: Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:40:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090602214005.GL32630@pengutronix.de> (raw)
Message-ID: <20090602214005.egXoderhCM9rNVA4ntRVnDJnHYiinjcs0Ru_fDPsWic@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090602211057.GA10800@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:10:58PM +0100, Russell King wrote:
> I really don't think combining SoC support is going to be realistic,
> device tree or not.  When we had just four machine types (RiscPC,
> EBSA110, EBSA285, Netwinder) I did look into this and came to the
> conclusion that it would be far too inefficient for there to be any
> win.
>
> The big problem we have is that the only commonality between different
> SoCs is that the CPU executes ARM instructions.  Everything else is
> entirely up to the SoC designer - eg location of memory, spacing of
> memory banks, type of interrupt controller, etc is all highly SoC
> specific.  Nothing outside of the ARM CPU itself is standardized.

And even with the cpu core, we usually build kernels with optimized
toolchains for their cpu family. But nevertheless - describing hardware
inside a mach* makes sense.

rsc
-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686           | Fax:   +49-5121-206917-5555 |

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-02 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-02 15:22 Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit James Bottomley
2009-06-02 17:29 ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-02 17:42   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-02 17:52     ` David VomLehn
2009-06-02 18:25       ` James Bottomley
2009-06-02 18:51         ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-02 19:30           ` Tim Bird
2009-06-02 20:37             ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " James Bottomley
2009-06-02 20:44               ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:34               ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-03  3:35                 ` Greg KH
     [not found]                   ` <20090731152617.GW29245@pengutronix.de>
2009-07-31 15:53                     ` flicker free booting Robert Schwebel
2009-07-31 18:03                       ` David VomLehn
2009-07-31 18:09                         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-07-31 18:42                           ` Bill Gatliff
2009-08-03  8:19                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-08-03  8:37                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-07-31 18:46                         ` Bill Gatliff
2009-07-31 19:48                           ` Tim Bird
2009-07-31 19:51                             ` Bill Gatliff
2009-07-31 20:05                             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-08-01  1:26                               ` Tim Bird
2009-07-31 19:25                       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-08-01 14:25                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-03  0:03               ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit David VomLehn
2009-06-03  0:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  1:42                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-02 22:21   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-03  6:24     ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-10 23:13     ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-14  3:48       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-10 23:08   ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-02 17:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 17:45   ` David VomLehn
2009-06-02 18:46     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 17:48   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-03 12:17     ` Mark Brown
2009-06-04 18:18     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 21:10   ` Russell King
2009-06-02 21:16     ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:16     ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-02 21:16       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-06-04 20:15       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-02 21:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-02 21:18       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-03  7:07       ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-02 21:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-06-02 21:40     ` Robert Schwebel [this message]
2009-06-02 21:40       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-02 21:48       ` Russell King
2009-06-02 21:40     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-06-04 20:08     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-04 20:08     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-04 20:08       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <3340601010994331832@unknownmsgid>
2009-06-04 20:24       ` Grant Likely
2009-06-03  6:53   ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-03 13:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-03 13:18   ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-03 13:45     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-03 14:11       ` Josh Boyer
2009-06-03 14:06   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-03 16:19   ` James Bottomley
2009-06-03 17:09     ` Russell King
2009-06-03 18:43       ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-03 19:01         ` James Bottomley
2009-06-04  3:11         ` David VomLehn (dvomlehn)
2009-06-04  3:24           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-04  3:24             ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-04  9:23           ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-03 19:08     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-06-10  9:42     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2009-06-16  6:42 ` Mike Rapoport
2009-06-16  8:06   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-16  8:06     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-16 12:19     ` [Ksummit-2009-discuss] " Ralf Baechle
2009-06-17  4:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-17 15:04         ` Ralf Baechle
2009-06-17 17:14           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-16 16:06     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-16 18:18       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 19:28         ` Grant Likely
2009-06-16 20:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 20:10             ` Marcel Holtmann
2009-06-16 21:04             ` Grant Likely
2009-06-18  3:05   ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-17 14:31 ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-18  2:51   ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-19  2:59     ` Kumar Gala
2009-06-19  3:00       ` Paul Mundt
2009-06-19  7:53         ` Kumar Gala

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