[RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

Hi

I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
lines as -uclibc one's

Any objections ?

Thanks

-Khem

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Phil Blundell]

On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:51 -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> lines as -uclibc one's

How different is eglibc's API and ABI from regular glibc?  I wonder if
it really needs a separate DISTRO of its own.

p.

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On (14/08/09 23:07), Phil Blundell wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:51 -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> > lines as -uclibc one's
> 
> How different is eglibc's API and ABI from regular glibc?  I wonder if
> it really needs a separate DISTRO of its own.

its drop in replacement. Should we change minimal and micro to use it ?
I am fine with that too. 

Thx

-Khem

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Tom Rini]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> lines as -uclibc one's
> 
> Any objections ?

minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
being passed in / set.

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
>> lines as -uclibc one's
>>
>> Any objections ?
>
> minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
> being passed in / set.

Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
needs special handling
for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.

But I think for micro and minimal I propose that we should chose
eglibc. It fits in better
IMO

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Khem Raj<raj.khem@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
>>> lines as -uclibc one's
>>>
>>> Any objections ?
>>
>> minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
>> being passed in / set.
>
> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
> needs special handling
> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
>
> But I think for micro and minimal I propose that we should chose
> eglibc. It fits in better
> IMO

If no one has objections then I will switch minimal and micro distros
to use eglibc by default (2.10 atm)

Thanks

-Khem

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

On Sunday 16 August 2009 21:06:39 Khem Raj wrote:

> If no one has objections then I will switch minimal and micro distros
> to use eglibc by default (2.10 atm)

Excellent, thanks!

:M:

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Tom Rini]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> >> lines as -uclibc one's
> >>
> >> Any objections ?
> >
> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
> > being passed in / set.
> 
> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
> needs special handling
> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.

I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
for > 1 distro ?

-- 
Tom Rini

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
>> >> lines as -uclibc one's
>> >>
>> >> Any objections ?
>> >
>> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
>> > being passed in / set.
>>
>> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
>> needs special handling
>> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
>
> I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
> providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
> for > 1 distro ?

If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick
eglibc instead
not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will
get more tested

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Tom Rini]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> >> >> lines as -uclibc one's
> >> >>
> >> >> Any objections ?
> >> >
> >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
> >> > being passed in / set.
> >>
> >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
> >> needs special handling
> >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
> >
> > I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
> > providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
> > for > 1 distro ?
> 
> If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick

If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration.

> eglibc instead
> not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will
> get more tested

So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in
the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc.

-- 
Tom Rini

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Any objections ?
> > >> >
> > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
> > >> > being passed in / set.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
> > >> needs special handling
> > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
> > >
> > > I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
> > > providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
> > > for > 1 distro ?
> > 
> > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick

> 
> If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration.

True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general.

> 
> > eglibc instead
> > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will
> > get more tested
> 
> So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in
> the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc.

yes

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Tom Rini]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:28:27PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hi
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
> > > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Any objections ?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
> > > >> > being passed in / set.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
> > > >> needs special handling
> > > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
> > > >
> > > > I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
> > > > providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
> > > > for > 1 distro ?
> > > 
> > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick
> 
> > 
> > If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration.
> 
> True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general.

minimal and micro aren't allowed to opt out of {uclibc,eglibc,glibc}.inc
and the LIBC variable, so you've lost me.

> > > eglibc instead
> > > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will
> > > get more tested
> > 
> > So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in
> > the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc.
> 
> yes

So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and
micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :)

-- 
Tom Rini

Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:28:27PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> Hi
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same
>> > > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Any objections ?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC
>> > > >> > being passed in / set.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which
>> > > >> needs special handling
>> > > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't follow.  LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred
>> > > > providers correctly.  Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR
>> > > > for > 1 distro ?
>> > >
>> > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick
>>
>> >
>> > If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration.
>>
>> True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general.
>
> minimal and micro aren't allowed to opt out of {uclibc,eglibc,glibc}.inc
> and the LIBC variable, so you've lost me.
>
>> > > eglibc instead
>> > > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will
>> > > get more tested
>> >
>> > So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in
>> > the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc.
>>
>> yes
>
> So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and
> micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :)

no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc
its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not
for uclibc

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Tom Rini]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
[snip]
> > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and
> > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :)
> 
> no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc
> its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not
> for uclibc

You've lost me, again.  What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc?

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> [snip]
>> > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and
>> > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :)
>>
>> no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc
>> its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not
>> for uclibc
>
> You've lost me, again.  What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc?
>

e.g.

PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl      = "proxy-libintl"
PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libiconv     = "libiconv"

but if we move these to sane-toolchain-uclibc inc then yes
we could basically use LIBC knob with some little work

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Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro

[Khem Raj]

On (20/08/09 12:58), Khem Raj wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and
> >> > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :)
> >>
> >> no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc
> >> its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not
> >> for uclibc
> >
> > You've lost me, again.  What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc?
> >
> 
> e.g.
> 
> PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl      = "proxy-libintl"
> PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libiconv     = "libiconv"
> 
> but if we move these to sane-toolchain-uclibc inc then yes
> we could basically use LIBC knob with some little work

I have committed the change to switch defaulting to eglibc in minimal micro and
sane-toolchain. If you see issues yell at me. I will try to fix ASAP

On Tom's suggestion I also added necessary PREFERRED_PROVIDERS to
sane-toolchain-uclibc and now by selecting correct LIBC with distro
minimal and micro we can have a system built which means we do not
need the -uclibc versions of the minimal and micro distros. 

For now I have left then in there as it is. They will be deleted
if I dont here someone using them.

Thanks

-Khem