* [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro @ 2009-08-14 21:51 Khem Raj 2009-08-14 22:07 ` Phil Blundell 2009-08-15 2:27 ` Tom Rini 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-14 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel Hi I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same lines as -uclibc one's Any objections ? Thanks -Khem ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-14 21:51 [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro Khem Raj @ 2009-08-14 22:07 ` Phil Blundell 2009-08-14 23:21 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-15 2:27 ` Tom Rini 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Phil Blundell @ 2009-08-14 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:51 -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > lines as -uclibc one's How different is eglibc's API and ABI from regular glibc? I wonder if it really needs a separate DISTRO of its own. p. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-14 22:07 ` Phil Blundell @ 2009-08-14 23:21 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-14 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On (14/08/09 23:07), Phil Blundell wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:51 -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > > lines as -uclibc one's > > How different is eglibc's API and ABI from regular glibc? I wonder if > it really needs a separate DISTRO of its own. its drop in replacement. Should we change minimal and micro to use it ? I am fine with that too. Thx -Khem > > p. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-14 21:51 [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro Khem Raj 2009-08-14 22:07 ` Phil Blundell @ 2009-08-15 2:27 ` Tom Rini 2009-08-15 17:21 ` Khem Raj 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tom Rini @ 2009-08-15 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > Hi > > I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > lines as -uclibc one's > > Any objections ? minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC being passed in / set. -- Tom Rini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-15 2:27 ` Tom Rini @ 2009-08-15 17:21 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-16 19:06 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-17 23:40 ` Tom Rini 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-15 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same >> lines as -uclibc one's >> >> Any objections ? > > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC > being passed in / set. Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which needs special handling for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. But I think for micro and minimal I propose that we should chose eglibc. It fits in better IMO > > -- > Tom Rini > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-15 17:21 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-16 19:06 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-16 20:33 ` Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 2009-08-17 23:40 ` Tom Rini 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-16 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Khem Raj<raj.khem@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same >>> lines as -uclibc one's >>> >>> Any objections ? >> >> minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC >> being passed in / set. > > Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which > needs special handling > for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. > > But I think for micro and minimal I propose that we should chose > eglibc. It fits in better > IMO If no one has objections then I will switch minimal and micro distros to use eglibc by default (2.10 atm) Thanks -Khem > >> >> -- >> Tom Rini >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openembedded-devel mailing list >> Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org >> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-16 19:06 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-16 20:33 ` Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer @ 2009-08-16 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Sunday 16 August 2009 21:06:39 Khem Raj wrote: > If no one has objections then I will switch minimal and micro distros > to use eglibc by default (2.10 atm) Excellent, thanks! :M: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-15 17:21 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-16 19:06 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-17 23:40 ` Tom Rini 2009-08-18 6:29 ` Khem Raj 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tom Rini @ 2009-08-17 23:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > >> lines as -uclibc one's > >> > >> Any objections ? > > > > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC > > being passed in / set. > > Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which > needs special handling > for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR for > 1 distro ? -- Tom Rini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-17 23:40 ` Tom Rini @ 2009-08-18 6:29 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-18 15:44 ` Tom Rini 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-18 6:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> > >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same >> >> lines as -uclibc one's >> >> >> >> Any objections ? >> > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC >> > being passed in / set. >> >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which >> needs special handling >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. > > I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred > providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR > for > 1 distro ? If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick eglibc instead not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will get more tested > > -- > Tom Rini > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-18 6:29 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-18 15:44 ` Tom Rini 2009-08-18 21:28 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tom Rini @ 2009-08-18 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi > >> >> > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's > >> >> > >> >> Any objections ? > >> > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC > >> > being passed in / set. > >> > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which > >> needs special handling > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. > > > > I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred > > providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR > > for > 1 distro ? > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration. > eglibc instead > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will > get more tested So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc. -- Tom Rini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-18 15:44 ` Tom Rini @ 2009-08-18 21:28 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-18 23:20 ` Tom Rini 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-18 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Hi > > >> >> > > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's > > >> >> > > >> >> Any objections ? > > >> > > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC > > >> > being passed in / set. > > >> > > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which > > >> needs special handling > > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. > > > > > > I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred > > > providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR > > > for > 1 distro ? > > > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick > > If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration. True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general. > > > eglibc instead > > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will > > get more tested > > So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in > the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc. yes > > -- > Tom Rini > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-18 21:28 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-18 23:20 ` Tom Rini 2009-08-18 23:48 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tom Rini @ 2009-08-18 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:28:27PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Hi > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same > > > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Any objections ? > > > >> > > > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC > > > >> > being passed in / set. > > > >> > > > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which > > > >> needs special handling > > > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. > > > > > > > > I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred > > > > providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR > > > > for > 1 distro ? > > > > > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick > > > > > If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration. > > True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general. minimal and micro aren't allowed to opt out of {uclibc,eglibc,glibc}.inc and the LIBC variable, so you've lost me. > > > eglibc instead > > > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will > > > get more tested > > > > So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in > > the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc. > > yes So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :) -- Tom Rini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-18 23:20 ` Tom Rini @ 2009-08-18 23:48 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-20 5:31 ` Tom Rini 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-18 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:28:27PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> On (18/08/09 08:44), Tom Rini wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29:31PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: >> > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:21:31AM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: >> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:51:38PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> Hi >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> I would like to add minimal-eglibc and micro-eglibc distros on same >> > > >> >> lines as -uclibc one's >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> Any objections ? >> > > >> > >> > > >> > minimal-uclibc and micro-uclibc should go away and just pickup from LIBC >> > > >> > being passed in / set. >> > > >> >> > > >> Ideally yes but there are other things like libintl libiconv etc which >> > > >> needs special handling >> > > >> for uclibc. So having uclibc counterparts is good. >> > > > >> > > > I don't follow. LIBC, and the associated inc file set the preferred >> > > > providers correctly. Or are you talking about sharing the same TMPDIR >> > > > for > 1 distro ? >> > > >> > > If u dont set LIBC then by default glibc is picked. Now it will pick >> >> > >> > If you don't set LIBC that's not a valid distribution configuration. >> >> True however I was talking in context of minimal and micro distros, not in general. > > minimal and micro aren't allowed to opt out of {uclibc,eglibc,glibc}.inc > and the LIBC variable, so you've lost me. > >> > > eglibc instead >> > > not many users override LIBC in there local.conf this way eglibc will >> > > get more tested >> > >> > So the default should be: LIBC ?= "eglibc" then for minimal, to pull in >> > the eglibc.inc file that sets libintl/iconv/etc. >> >> yes > > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :) no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not for uclibc > > -- > Tom Rini > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-18 23:48 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-20 5:31 ` Tom Rini 2009-08-20 19:58 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Tom Rini @ 2009-08-20 5:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: [snip] > > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and > > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :) > > no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc > its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not > for uclibc You've lost me, again. What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc? -- Tom Rini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-20 5:31 ` Tom Rini @ 2009-08-20 19:58 ` Khem Raj 2009-08-23 7:54 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-20 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > [snip] >> > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and >> > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :) >> >> no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc >> its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not >> for uclibc > > You've lost me, again. What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc? > e.g. PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl = "proxy-libintl" PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libiconv = "libiconv" but if we move these to sane-toolchain-uclibc inc then yes we could basically use LIBC knob with some little work > -- > Tom Rini > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC] Adding eglibc versions of minimal and micro distro 2009-08-20 19:58 ` Khem Raj @ 2009-08-23 7:54 ` Khem Raj 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2009-08-23 7:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-devel On (20/08/09 12:58), Khem Raj wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Tom Rini<trini@embeddedalley.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:48:20PM -0700, Khem Raj wrote: > > [snip] > >> > So are we on the same page again, micro/minimal-uclibc can go away and > >> > micro/minimal can ?= LIBC? :) > >> > >> no. LIBC provides other packages too which is different for uclibc > >> its same for glibc and eglibc so having same for glibc and eglibc is ok but not > >> for uclibc > > > > You've lost me, again. What does uclibc.inc not set correct for uclibc? > > > > e.g. > > PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl = "proxy-libintl" > PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libiconv = "libiconv" > > but if we move these to sane-toolchain-uclibc inc then yes > we could basically use LIBC knob with some little work I have committed the change to switch defaulting to eglibc in minimal micro and sane-toolchain. If you see issues yell at me. I will try to fix ASAP On Tom's suggestion I also added necessary PREFERRED_PROVIDERS to sane-toolchain-uclibc and now by selecting correct LIBC with distro minimal and micro we can have a system built which means we do not need the -uclibc versions of the minimal and micro distros. For now I have left then in there as it is. They will be deleted if I dont here someone using them. Thanks -Khem ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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