[B.A.T.M.A.N.] batman-adv applying for an official Ethertype?

[B.A.T.M.A.N.] batman-adv applying for an official Ethertype?

[Andrew Lunn]

Hi Folks

Has anybody investigated the process for applying for an approved
Ethertype as needed by batman advanced?

I found a few relevant documents:

http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/
http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/ethertype/type-tut.html
http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/faqs.html#q15

Not cheap :-(

    Andrew

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] batman-adv applying for an official Ethertype?

[Sven Eckelmann]

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Hi,

> Has anybody investigated the process for applying for an approved
> Ethertype as needed by batman advanced?
Yes, Simon did a small research some months ago.

> I found a few relevant documents:
>
> http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/
> http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/ethertype/type-tut.html
> http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/faqs.html#q15
We know about it. Nobody gave us the money yet... and I think it will never 
happen that a rich boy come to us and give us that money just for 16 bit... 
but I would pay the $15.00 bank fee :)

http://open-mesh.net/wiki/2008-12-28-batman-adv-0-1-release

Best regards,
	Sven

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Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] batman-adv applying for an official Ethertype?

[Andrew Lunn]

> We know about it. Nobody gave us the money yet... and I think it will never 
> happen that a rich boy come to us and give us that money just for 16 bit...

The fee is about equivalent to 3 man days of work. So its not that big
a sum for a commercial entity wanting to use batman in a product.

However, when i posed this question, i had Linux mainline in the back
of my head. Would batman get into mainline when it is using an
unofficial ethertype? I guess i need to see if any other protocol is
using an unofficial ethertype.

      Andrew

Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] batman-adv applying for an official Ethertype?

[Simon Wunderlich]

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Hey Andrew,

i'm only aware of ether-wake which uses 0x8042 as (unregistered) ethertype to send 
WOL packets and was obviously used in scyld beowulf systems according to 
the manpage [1]. Wireshark also recognizes these packets [2].

I know this ethertype because we used this ethertype in our first batman-adv
implementations as well (because it is such a nice number ...). ;)

Maybe we find someone funding the money for the ethertype some time, but currently
i don't know anyone who would be interested in this.

According to the Ethertype list from the IEEE [3], our ethertype 0x4305 is 
currently not in use, so the chance to collide is quite low.

best regards,
	Simon

[1] http://linux.die.net/man/8/ether-wake
[2] http://wiki.wireshark.org/WakeOnLAN
[3] http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/ethertype/eth.txt

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:59:03AM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > We know about it. Nobody gave us the money yet... and I think it will never 
> > happen that a rich boy come to us and give us that money just for 16 bit...
> 
> The fee is about equivalent to 3 man days of work. So its not that big
> a sum for a commercial entity wanting to use batman in a product.
> 
> However, when i posed this question, i had Linux mainline in the back
> of my head. Would batman get into mainline when it is using an
> unofficial ethertype? I guess i need to see if any other protocol is
> using an unofficial ethertype.
> 
>       Andrew
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