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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	"Ira W. Snyder" <iws@ovro.caltech.edu>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	s.hetze@linux-ag.com, alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:08:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090916160829.GA6034@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200909161722.37606.arnd@arndb.de>

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:22:37PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 September 2009, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:57:42PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 September 2009, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > Userspace in x86 maps a PCI region, uses it for communication with ppc?
> > > 
> > > This might have portability issues. On x86 it should work, but if the
> > > host is powerpc or similar, you cannot reliably access PCI I/O memory
> > > through copy_tofrom_user but have to use memcpy_toio/fromio or readl/writel
> > > calls, which don't work on user pointers.
> > > 
> > > Specifically on powerpc, copy_from_user cannot access unaligned buffers
> > > if they are on an I/O mapping.
> > > 
> > We are talking about doing this in userspace, not in kernel.
> 
> Ok, that's fine then. I thought the idea was to use the vhost_net driver

It's a separate issue. We were talking generally about configuration
and setup. Gregory implemented it in kernel, Avi wants it
moved to userspace, with only fastpath in kernel.

> to access the user memory, which would be a really cute hack otherwise,
> as you'd only need to provide the eventfds from a hardware specific
> driver and could use the regular virtio_net on the other side.
> 
> 	Arnd <><

To do that, maybe copy to user on ppc can be fixed, or wrapped
around in a arch specific macro, so that everyone else
does not have to go through abstraction layers.

-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	"Ira W. Snyder" <iws@ovro.caltech.edu>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	s.hetze@linux-ag.com, alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:08:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090916160829.GA6034@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200909161722.37606.arnd@arndb.de>

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:22:37PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 September 2009, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:57:42PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 September 2009, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > Userspace in x86 maps a PCI region, uses it for communication with ppc?
> > > 
> > > This might have portability issues. On x86 it should work, but if the
> > > host is powerpc or similar, you cannot reliably access PCI I/O memory
> > > through copy_tofrom_user but have to use memcpy_toio/fromio or readl/writel
> > > calls, which don't work on user pointers.
> > > 
> > > Specifically on powerpc, copy_from_user cannot access unaligned buffers
> > > if they are on an I/O mapping.
> > > 
> > We are talking about doing this in userspace, not in kernel.
> 
> Ok, that's fine then. I thought the idea was to use the vhost_net driver

It's a separate issue. We were talking generally about configuration
and setup. Gregory implemented it in kernel, Avi wants it
moved to userspace, with only fastpath in kernel.

> to access the user memory, which would be a really cute hack otherwise,
> as you'd only need to provide the eventfds from a hardware specific
> driver and could use the regular virtio_net on the other side.
> 
> 	Arnd <><

To do that, maybe copy to user on ppc can be fixed, or wrapped
around in a arch specific macro, so that everyone else
does not have to go through abstraction layers.

-- 
MST

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Thread overview: 230+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1251388414.git.mst@redhat.com>
2009-08-27 16:06 ` [PATCHv5 1/3] mm: export use_mm/unuse_mm to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:06   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:06   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-28 15:31   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 15:31   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 2/3] mm: reduce atomic use on use_mm fast path Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-03 18:39   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-03 18:39   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-03 18:39     ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-07 10:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-07 10:15       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-08 17:20       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-08 17:20       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-08 17:20         ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-08 20:14         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-08 20:14           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 15:17           ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-11 15:17           ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-11 15:17             ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-13  5:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-13  5:46               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14  5:57               ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-14  5:57               ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-14  5:57                 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-14  7:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14  7:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14  7:05                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-13  5:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-08 20:14         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 16:00         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-11 16:14           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-11 16:14           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-13 12:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-13 12:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-13 12:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:08             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 16:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:14                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:35                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 12:35                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 12:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:03                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 13:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:25                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:50                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 14:28                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 14:28                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 14:28                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 15:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 15:03                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 20:08                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 20:08                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 20:40                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 20:40                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 20:43                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 20:43                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:25                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:25                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:39                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:39                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:38                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:38                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:55                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:55                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:38                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 14:57                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 14:57                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 15:13                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:13                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:13                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:22                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 15:22                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 16:08                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 16:08                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-09-16 16:08                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:22                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 14:57                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-15 21:25                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 20:40                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16  8:23                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16  8:23                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16  8:23                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 11:44                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 11:44                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 13:05                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 13:05                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 14:10                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 14:10                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 15:59                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 15:59                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 19:22                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 21:00                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 21:00                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17  3:11                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  3:11                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  7:49                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17  7:49                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17  7:49                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17 14:16                                               ` Javier Guerra
2009-09-17 14:16                                               ` Javier Guerra
2009-09-17 14:16                                                 ` Javier Guerra
2009-09-21 21:43                                               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-21 21:43                                               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-21 21:43                                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22  9:43                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22  9:43                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 15:25                                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 15:25                                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 15:25                                                     ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 15:56                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 15:56                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 15:56                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 14:26                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 14:37                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 14:37                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 15:10                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 15:10                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 17:58                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 19:37                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 19:37                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 21:15                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24  7:18                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24  7:18                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:03                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25  8:22                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25  8:22                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25 21:32                                                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-27  9:43                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-27  9:43                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-27  9:43                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 20:04                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-30 20:04                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-01  8:34                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  8:34                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  8:34                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  8:34                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  9:28                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-01  9:28                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-01  9:28                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-01 19:24                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-01 19:24                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-03 10:00                                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-03 10:00                                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-03 10:00                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25 21:32                                                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25  8:22                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:03                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24 19:27                                                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-24 19:27                                                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-24 19:27                                                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-25  7:43                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25  7:43                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25  7:43                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24  7:18                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 21:15                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24  8:03                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24  8:03                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:04                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24 18:04                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24  8:03                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 19:37                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 17:58                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 14:37                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 14:26                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-22  9:43                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 21:00                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 19:22                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 15:59                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17  3:57                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-17  3:57                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-17  4:13                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  4:13                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  3:57                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 14:10                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 13:05                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 15:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:50                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 13:03                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 19:14                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 12:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 12:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-14 16:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:53                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:28                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 19:28                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 16:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:08             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-11 16:00         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-07 10:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-25 17:01   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-25 17:01   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-25 17:01     ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-27  7:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-27  7:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-27  7:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] <E88DD564E9DC5446A76B2B47C3BCCA150219600F9B@pdsmsx503.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 11:42   ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 11:42   ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 15:23   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-31 15:23   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-31 15:23     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-01 14:58     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01 14:58       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01 14:58     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 17:52   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-31 17:52     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-31 21:56     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 21:56       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-01 15:37       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01 15:37       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01 15:37         ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 21:56     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-01  5:04     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01  5:04     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01  5:04       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 17:52   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui

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