From: Matt Domsch <matt_domsch@dell.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
Cc: Narendra K <Narendra_K@dell.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
jordan_hargrave@dell.com
Subject: Re: PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:25:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091009162550.GB20855@mock.linuxdev.us.dell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091009091247.0a9b60cb@nehalam>
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 09:12:47AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:04:43 -0500
> Narendra K <Narendra_K@dell.com> wrote:
>
> > By creating character devices for every network device, we can use
> > udev to maintain alternate naming policies for devices, including
> > additional names for the same device, without interfering with the
> > name that the kernel assigns a device.
> >
> What happens if interface is renamed by either networking API:
> ip li set dev eth0 name eth-renamed-by-me
udev sees a KOBJ_MOVE uevent. Today it does not handle these events
at all, but talking with Kay, he believes udev can be extended to
handle that pretty easily.
> or via
> mv /dev/net/eth0 /dev/net/eth-renamed-by-user
There is no VFS magic today such that this 'mv' will translate into a
device_rename() function inside the kernel.
udev "owns" the /dev/netdev/eth0 device node name. If a user (root)
does a 'mv', the symlink referants will be broken. This is no
different than doing so for a disk device or any other udev-managed
device node. If someone does a
mv /dev/sda /dev/sda-mybootdisk
and is relying on the /dev/disk/by-label/mybootdisk -> /dev/sda
symlink in some way, the application will fail.
> or if both are done at same time (what is locking model?)
There is no locking model. udev will serialize the rename events
though, as seen in userspace.
Thanks,
Matt
--
Matt Domsch
Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Matt Domsch <matt_domsch@dell.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
Cc: Narendra K <Narendra_K@dell.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
jordan_hargrave@dell.com
Subject: Re: PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:25:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091009162550.GB20855@mock.linuxdev.us.dell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091009091247.0a9b60cb@nehalam>
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 09:12:47AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:04:43 -0500
> Narendra K <Narendra_K@dell.com> wrote:
>
> > By creating character devices for every network device, we can use
> > udev to maintain alternate naming policies for devices, including
> > additional names for the same device, without interfering with the
> > name that the kernel assigns a device.
> >
> What happens if interface is renamed by either networking API:
> ip li set dev eth0 name eth-renamed-by-me
udev sees a KOBJ_MOVE uevent. Today it does not handle these events
at all, but talking with Kay, he believes udev can be extended to
handle that pretty easily.
> or via
> mv /dev/net/eth0 /dev/net/eth-renamed-by-user
There is no VFS magic today such that this 'mv' will translate into a
device_rename() function inside the kernel.
udev "owns" the /dev/netdev/eth0 device node name. If a user (root)
does a 'mv', the symlink referants will be broken. This is no
different than doing so for a disk device or any other udev-managed
device node. If someone does a
mv /dev/sda /dev/sda-mybootdisk
and is relying on the /dev/disk/by-label/mybootdisk -> /dev/sda
symlink in some way, the application will fail.
> or if both are done at same time (what is locking model?)
There is no locking model. udev will serialize the rename events
though, as seen in userspace.
Thanks,
Matt
--
Matt Domsch
Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux
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2009-10-09 16:04 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 16:04 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 16:12 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-09 16:12 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-09 16:25 ` Matt Domsch [this message]
2009-10-09 16:25 ` Matt Domsch
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2009-10-28 13:06 ` Narendra K
2009-10-28 13:06 ` Narendra K
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589541@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:47 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 18:47 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 19:09 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 19:09 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 19:41 ` Karl O. Pinc
2009-10-12 19:41 ` Karl O. Pinc
2009-10-13 18:17 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:17 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 18:56 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 19:48 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 19:48 ` Matt Domsch
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58953F@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Narendra K
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894ED@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 14:00 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:00 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 14:51 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:23 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-09 16:56 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 10:41 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 11:31 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:37 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53 ` John W. Linville
2009-10-13 19:53 ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:17 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:22 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 21:09 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 2:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 2:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 4:40 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 4:40 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 5:23 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 5:23 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 8:17 ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 8:29 ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:27 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 19:00 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:10 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 12:47 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 17:34 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 6:21 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 6:21 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 16:40 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47 ` Greg KH
2009-10-11 18:47 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11 ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:11 ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-10 18:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 21:10 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-11 23:04 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 3:00 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 3:00 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:35 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 18:44 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:45 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:15 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:06 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 18:56 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12 7:30 ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-12 7:30 ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11 0:37 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-11 0:37 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 15:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:13 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:25 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:36 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 0:32 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 0:32 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:02 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 14:14 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:20 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:41 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:30 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 11:42 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-19 16:14 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:23 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-04 14:35 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 8:49 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 8:49 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06 ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:06 ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:35 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17 ` dann frazier
2009-11-06 23:17 ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:41 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-09 14:53 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-10 17:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11 6:31 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-11 6:43 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05 ` Domsch, Matt
2009-11-06 22:05 ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-13 19:51 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 19:51 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:19 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:05 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 22:08 ` dann frazier
2009-08-05 19:50 Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 18:56 ` PATCH: " Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 18:56 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 19:26 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-08-19 19:26 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-08-19 19:40 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 19:40 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-20 4:41 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-08-20 4:41 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 17:54 ` Marco d'Itri
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