From: Frans Pop <elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:05:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911040305.59352.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091104011811.GG22046-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > If you'd like me to test with the congestion_wait() revert on top of
> > this for comparison, please let me know.
>
> No, there is resistance to rolling back the congestion_wait() changes
I've never promoted the revert as a solution. It just shows the cause of a
regression.
> from what I gather because they were introduced for sane reasons. The
> consequence is just that the reliability of high-order atomics are
> impacted because more processes are making forward progress where
> previously they would have waited until kswapd had done work. Your
> driver has already been fixed in this regard and maybe it's a case that
> the other atomic users simply have to be fixed to "not do that".
The problem is that although my driver has been fixed so that it no longer
causes the SKB allocation errors, the also rather serious behavior change
where due to swapping my 3rd gitk takes up to twice as long to load with
desktop freezes of up 45 seconds or so is still there.
Although that's somewhat separate from the issue that started this whole
investigation, I still feel that should be sorted out as well.
The congestion_wait() change, even if theoretically valid, introduced a
very real regression IMO. Such long desktop freezes during swapping should
be avoided; .30 and earlier simply behaved a whole lot better in the same
situation.
Cheers,
FJP
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:05:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911040305.59352.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091104011811.GG22046@csn.ul.ie>
On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > If you'd like me to test with the congestion_wait() revert on top of
> > this for comparison, please let me know.
>
> No, there is resistance to rolling back the congestion_wait() changes
I've never promoted the revert as a solution. It just shows the cause of a
regression.
> from what I gather because they were introduced for sane reasons. The
> consequence is just that the reliability of high-order atomics are
> impacted because more processes are making forward progress where
> previously they would have waited until kswapd had done work. Your
> driver has already been fixed in this regard and maybe it's a case that
> the other atomic users simply have to be fixed to "not do that".
The problem is that although my driver has been fixed so that it no longer
causes the SKB allocation errors, the also rather serious behavior change
where due to swapping my 3rd gitk takes up to twice as long to load with
desktop freezes of up 45 seconds or so is still there.
Although that's somewhat separate from the issue that started this whole
investigation, I still feel that should be sorted out as well.
The congestion_wait() change, even if theoretically valid, introduced a
very real regression IMO. Such long desktop freezes during swapping should
be avoided; .30 and earlier simply behaved a whole lot better in the same
situation.
Cheers,
FJP
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:05:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911040305.59352.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091104011811.GG22046@csn.ul.ie>
On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > If you'd like me to test with the congestion_wait() revert on top of
> > this for comparison, please let me know.
>
> No, there is resistance to rolling back the congestion_wait() changes
I've never promoted the revert as a solution. It just shows the cause of a
regression.
> from what I gather because they were introduced for sane reasons. The
> consequence is just that the reliability of high-order atomics are
> impacted because more processes are making forward progress where
> previously they would have waited until kswapd had done work. Your
> driver has already been fixed in this regard and maybe it's a case that
> the other atomic users simply have to be fixed to "not do that".
The problem is that although my driver has been fixed so that it no longer
causes the SKB allocation errors, the also rather serious behavior change
where due to swapping my 3rd gitk takes up to twice as long to load with
desktop freezes of up 45 seconds or so is still there.
Although that's somewhat separate from the issue that started this whole
investigation, I still feel that should be sorted out as well.
The congestion_wait() change, even if theoretically valid, introduced a
very real regression IMO. Such long desktop freezes during swapping should
be avoided; .30 and earlier simply behaved a whole lot better in the same
situation.
Cheers,
FJP
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Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-27 13:40 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, partial fix V3 Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-1-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 1/3] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 13:02 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, partial fix V3 Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 13:02 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 13:02 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 2/3] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-3-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091027130924.fa903f5a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0910271411530.9183-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 19:51 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 19:51 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 20:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 20:11 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091031201158.GB29536-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 22:29 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 22:29 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 22:55 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-31 22:55 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <4AECC04B.9060808-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091101073527.GB32720-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 14:44 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-01 14:44 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <4AED9EB4.5080601-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-02 16:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 16:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-31 23:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-31 23:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-02 16:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 16:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-03 17:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-03 17:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911031739380.1187-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091104090140.GA14694-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-4-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-27 20:19 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:19 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091027131905.410ec04a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-28 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091028124756.7af44b6b.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:32 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-02 17:32 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911021832.59035.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 20:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 20:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:01 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911032301.59662.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 0:01 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 1:18 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 1:18 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091104011811.GG22046-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop [this message]
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911040305.59352.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091104154853.GM22046-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911042157.25020.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-05 16:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit (data on latencies available) Mel Gorman
2009-11-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091105164832.GB25926-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Mel Gorman
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