From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:44:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AED9EB4.5080601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091101073527.GB32720@elf.ucw.cz>
On 11/01/2009 02:35 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>> I believe it would be better to simply remove it.
>>
>> You are against trying to give the realtime tasks a best effort
>> advantage at memory allocation?
>
> Yes. Those memory reserves were for kernel, GPF_ATOMIC and stuff. Now
> realtime tasks are allowed to eat into them. That feels wrong.
>
> "realtime" tasks are not automatically "more important".
>
>> Realtime apps often *have* to allocate memory on the kernel side,
>> because they use network system calls, etc...
>
> So what? As soon as they do that, they lose any guarantees, anyway.
They might lose the absolute guarantee, but that's no reason
not to give it our best effort!
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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:44:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AED9EB4.5080601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091101073527.GB32720@elf.ucw.cz>
On 11/01/2009 02:35 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>> I believe it would be better to simply remove it.
>>
>> You are against trying to give the realtime tasks a best effort
>> advantage at memory allocation?
>
> Yes. Those memory reserves were for kernel, GPF_ATOMIC and stuff. Now
> realtime tasks are allowed to eat into them. That feels wrong.
>
> "realtime" tasks are not automatically "more important".
>
>> Realtime apps often *have* to allocate memory on the kernel side,
>> because they use network system calls, etc...
>
> So what? As soon as they do that, they lose any guarantees, anyway.
They might lose the absolute guarantee, but that's no reason
not to give it our best effort!
--
All rights reversed.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-01 14:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-27 13:40 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, partial fix V3 Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-1-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 1/3] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 13:02 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, partial fix V3 Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 13:02 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 13:02 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 2/3] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-3-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091027130924.fa903f5a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27 21:12 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0910271411530.9183-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 19:51 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 19:51 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 20:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 20:11 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091031201158.GB29536-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 21:19 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-31 22:29 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 22:29 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-31 22:55 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-31 22:55 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <4AECC04B.9060808-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 7:35 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091101073527.GB32720-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 12:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 14:44 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-11-01 14:44 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <4AED9EB4.5080601-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-01 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-02 16:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 16:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-31 23:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-31 23:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-02 16:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 16:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 20:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-03 17:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-03 17:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 1:46 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911031739380.1187-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-04 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20091104090140.GA14694-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-09 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 13:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <1256650833-15516-4-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-27 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2009-10-27 20:19 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-27 20:19 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091027131905.410ec04a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 3:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 10:29 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-28 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-28 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20091028124756.7af44b6b.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 16:05 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:32 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-02 17:32 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911021832.59035.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 17:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 20:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-02 20:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:01 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911032301.59662.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-03 22:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 0:01 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 1:18 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 1:18 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091104011811.GG22046-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911040305.59352.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091104154853.GM22046-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Frans Pop
[not found] ` <200911042157.25020.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-05 16:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit (data on latencies available) Mel Gorman
2009-11-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20091105164832.GB25926-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-12 11:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-04 2:08 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 2:08 ` Mel Gorman
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