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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	minchan.kim@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:45:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091218184504.GA675@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912181207010.26947@router.home>


* Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > We've been through this many times in the past within the kernel: many 
> > times when we hid some locking primitive within some clever wrapping 
> > scheme the quality of locking started to deteriorate. In most of the 
> > important cases we got rid of the indirection and went with an existing 
> > core kernel locking primitive which are all well known and have clear 
> > semantics and lead to more maintainable code.
> 
> The existing locking APIs are all hiding lock details at various levels. We 
> have various specific APIs for specialized locks already Page locking etc.

You need to loo at the patches. This is simply a step backwards:

-               up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+               mm_read_unlock(mm);

because it hides the lock instance.

( You brought up -rt but that example does not apply: it doesnt 'hide' the 
  lock instance in any way, it simply changes the preemption model. It goes to 
  great lengths to keep existing locking patterns and does not obfuscate 
  locking. )

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	minchan.kim@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:45:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091218184504.GA675@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912181207010.26947@router.home>


* Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > We've been through this many times in the past within the kernel: many 
> > times when we hid some locking primitive within some clever wrapping 
> > scheme the quality of locking started to deteriorate. In most of the 
> > important cases we got rid of the indirection and went with an existing 
> > core kernel locking primitive which are all well known and have clear 
> > semantics and lead to more maintainable code.
> 
> The existing locking APIs are all hiding lock details at various levels. We 
> have various specific APIs for specialized locks already Page locking etc.

You need to loo at the patches. This is simply a step backwards:

-               up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+               mm_read_unlock(mm);

because it hides the lock instance.

( You brought up -rt but that example does not apply: it doesnt 'hide' the 
  lock instance in any way, it simply changes the preemption model. It goes to 
  great lengths to keep existing locking patterns and does not obfuscate 
  locking. )

	Ingo

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-18 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-16  3:00 [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:01 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 1/11] mm accessor for replacing mmap_sem KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:01   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:02 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 2/11] mm accessor for kernel core KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:02   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:03 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 3/11] mm accessor for fs KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:03   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:04 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 4/11] mm accessor for kvm KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:05 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 5/11] mm accessor for tomoyo KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:05   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:06 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 6/11] mm accessor for driver/gpu KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:06   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:07 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 7/11] mm accessor for inifiniband KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:07   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:08 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 8/11] mm accessor for video KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:08   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:09 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 9/11] mm accessor for sgi gru KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:09   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:10 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 10/11] mm accessor for misc drivers KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:11 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 11/11] mm accessor for x86 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16  3:11   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:11 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:11   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:13   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:13     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:28     ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:28       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:31       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:31         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:49         ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:49           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 11:12           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 11:12             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 11:31             ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 11:31               ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 16:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-16 16:27                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-16 23:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-16 23:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17  4:11                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-17  4:11                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-17  8:41                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17  8:41                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 22:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-16 22:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17  8:40           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17  8:40             ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17  8:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17  8:45               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17  8:54               ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17  8:54                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 14:45                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 14:45                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 15:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 15:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 17:53                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 17:53                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 19:08                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 19:08                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 19:55                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 19:55                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 19:56                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 19:56                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:14                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:42                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:42                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18  5:17                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18  5:17                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 17:00                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-18 17:00                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-18 17:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 17:12                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 18:12                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 18:12                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 18:43                                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-18 18:43                                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-18 18:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-12-18 18:45                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 23:18                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 23:18                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-17 19:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 19:33               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:07                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:13                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:13                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:19                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-16 10:31       ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-16 10:31         ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-16 10:33         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:33           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:38           ` [RFC 0/4] speculative page fault (Was " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:41             ` [RFC 1/4] uninline mm accessor KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:41               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:43             ` [RFC 2/4] add mm event counter KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:43               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19  3:23               ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  3:23                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  6:37                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19  6:37                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:45             ` [RFC 3/4] lockless vma caching KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:45               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19  3:43               ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  3:43                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  6:44                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19  6:44                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:46             ` [RFC 4/4] speculative pag fault KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  0:46               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  5:54               ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-18  5:54                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-18  6:06                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  6:06                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18  6:33                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-18  6:33                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  3:55               ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  3:55                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19  6:49                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19  6:49                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 16:24   ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates Christoph Lameter
2009-12-16 16:24     ` Christoph Lameter

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