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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
Cc: Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	utrace-devel@redhat.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:05:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100121170541.7425ff10.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100122005147.GD22003@redhat.com>

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:51:47 -0500 "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi -
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:31:45PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Someone please sell this to us.
> > Here's what Oleg said last time I asked this: [...]
> 
> I wonder if Roland/Oleg are being too modest in their current role as
> ptrace maintainers.  Considering that *they* think of utrace as a
> means toward proper refactoring of ptrace, how much further burden of
> proof should they shoulder?  To what extent are other subsystem
> maintainers required to "sell" reworkings of their areas, when there
> appear to be no drawbacks and at least arguable benefits?
> 

ptrace is a nasty, complex part of the kernel which has a long history
of problems, but it's all been pretty quiet in there for the the past few
years.  This leads one to expect that a rip-out-n-rewrite is a
high-risk prospect.  So, quite reasonably, one looks for a good reason
for taking such risk.

It's not really appropriate to generalise from other subsystem
maintainer's reworkings onto ptrace.  It's very rare that we'd make a
change this radical to a tricky part of core kernel.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-22  1:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100119211646.GF16096@redhat.com>
2010-01-20  0:12 ` linux-next: add utrace tree Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20  5:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:15     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20  6:28       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:40         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 10:43           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20  6:59         ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 13:24           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20 13:24             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20  7:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 14:38           ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-21  1:22             ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22  0:17             ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-22  0:30               ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:31                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:51                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  0:51                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:05                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-01-22  1:25                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:25                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:32                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  2:22                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  2:22                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  2:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 20:51                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-23  6:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23  6:04                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 12:03                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 16:36                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-22  1:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  5:21                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 13:43                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-22 19:39                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 19:39                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 13:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-22 18:28                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 18:28                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 20:01                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:01                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:16                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 21:44                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:44                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 22:13                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23  0:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  0:22                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  0:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  6:20                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-23 11:01                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-23 11:51                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:51                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 15:57                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-01-23 11:23                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 11:47                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:47                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 19:48                                           ` tytso
2010-01-24 18:01                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 18:01                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25  1:42                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25  1:42                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25  4:55                                               ` tytso
2010-01-25 16:52                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 16:52                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:02                                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 17:36                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:54                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:03                                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-25 18:12                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 18:30                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:45                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-25 20:34                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-25 20:30                                                     ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:30                                                       ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:42                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26  0:02                                                         ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26  0:02                                                           ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26  0:07                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:08                                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-01-26 16:28                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:34                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-28 23:53                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-29  0:21                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25  4:59                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-25 10:13                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-24  5:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-24 10:25                                         ` tytso
2010-01-24 13:20                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 13:20                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 21:05                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:05                                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:41                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 21:41                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 14:21                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-26 23:20                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:20                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:37                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27  6:52                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27  8:54                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-28  1:52                                                     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-28  8:55                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  0:59                                                         ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-29  7:39                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  7:52                                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:55                                                               ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:16                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:11                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:31                                                                 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:51                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 18:13                                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29 18:13                                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29  4:55                                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:42                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-30 17:49                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-30 17:59                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-02  6:47                                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-02-02  6:47                                                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-27 10:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 10:55                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 10:58                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:04                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 16:01                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-27 11:05                                                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-27 11:08                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:20                                                           ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-02-08 10:09                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-08 10:09                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 11:07                                                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 11:07                                                       ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 13:59                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-27 17:42                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 17:42                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 18:53                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-08  6:54                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-08  9:30                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-08  9:53                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-02-08  9:53                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-27 19:18                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 19:18                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27  0:38                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-27  0:38                                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 15:00                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 17:33                                           ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 18:46                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 21:02                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 21:53                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 22:03                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 23:32                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:32                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:27                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:27                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-23  8:05                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-01-22 17:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-20  8:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 13:01         ` Frank Ch. Eigler

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