From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: rostedt@goodmis.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>,
Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
linux-next@vger.kernel.org, utrace-devel@redhat.com,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
JimKeniston <jkenisto@us.ibm.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:42:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B607B1A.3080007@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1264600792.31321.464.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>
On 01/27/2010 05:59 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> [ Added Arjan ]
>
> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 02:43 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, so you're going to love uprobes, which does exactly that. The
>>> current proposal is overwriting the target instruction with an INT3 and
>>> injecting an extra vma into the target process's address space
>>> containing the original instruction(s) and possible jumps back to the
>>> old code stream.
>>
>> Just out of interest, how does it handle the threading issue?
>>
>> Last I saw, at least some CPU people were _very_ nervous about overwriting
>> instructions if another CPU might be just about to execute them.
>
> I think the issue was that ring 0 was never meant to do that, where as,
> ring 3 does it all the time. Doesn't the dynamic library modify its
> text?
>
No, it has nothing to do with ring. It has to do with modifying code
that another CPU could be executing at the same time, and with modifying
code on the same processor through another virtual alias (they are
different issues.) The same issues apply regardless of the CPL of the
processor.
-hpa
--
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel. I don't speak on their behalf.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: rostedt@goodmis.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>,
Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
linux-next@vger.kernel.org, utrace-devel@redhat.com,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
JimKeniston <jkenisto@us.ibm.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:42:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B607B1A.3080007@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1264600792.31321.464.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>
On 01/27/2010 05:59 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> [ Added Arjan ]
>
> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 02:43 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, so you're going to love uprobes, which does exactly that. The
>>> current proposal is overwriting the target instruction with an INT3 and
>>> injecting an extra vma into the target process's address space
>>> containing the original instruction(s) and possible jumps back to the
>>> old code stream.
>>
>> Just out of interest, how does it handle the threading issue?
>>
>> Last I saw, at least some CPU people were _very_ nervous about overwriting
>> instructions if another CPU might be just about to execute them.
>
> I think the issue was that ring 0 was never meant to do that, where as,
> ring 3 does it all the time. Doesn't the dynamic library modify its
> text?
>
No, it has nothing to do with ring. It has to do with modifying code
that another CPU could be executing at the same time, and with modifying
code on the same processor through another virtual alias (they are
different issues.) The same issues apply regardless of the CPL of the
processor.
-hpa
--
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel. I don't speak on their behalf.
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2010-01-20 0:12 ` linux-next: add utrace tree Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 5:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 6:15 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 6:40 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 10:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20 6:59 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 13:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20 13:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20 7:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 14:38 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-21 1:22 ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22 0:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-22 0:30 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 0:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 0:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 0:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 0:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 1:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 1:25 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 1:25 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 1:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 2:22 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 2:22 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 2:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-23 6:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 6:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 12:03 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 16:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-22 1:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 5:21 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 13:43 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-22 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 13:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-22 18:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 18:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 20:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 21:44 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:44 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 22:13 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 0:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23 6:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-23 11:01 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-23 11:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 15:57 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-01-23 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 11:47 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:47 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 19:48 ` tytso
2010-01-24 18:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 18:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 1:42 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25 1:42 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25 4:55 ` tytso
2010-01-25 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:02 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:03 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-25 18:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 18:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-25 20:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-25 20:30 ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:30 ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 0:02 ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26 0:02 ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:08 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-01-26 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-28 23:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-29 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 4:59 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-25 10:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-24 5:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-24 10:25 ` tytso
2010-01-24 13:20 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 13:20 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 21:05 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:05 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 21:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 14:21 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-26 23:20 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:20 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 6:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-28 1:52 ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-28 8:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 0:59 ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-29 7:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 7:52 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 7:55 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 9:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 9:31 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 9:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 18:13 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29 18:13 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29 4:55 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-30 17:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-30 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-02 6:47 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-02-02 6:47 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-27 10:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 16:01 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-27 11:05 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-27 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:20 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-02-08 10:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-08 10:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 11:07 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 11:07 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 13:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-27 17:42 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2010-01-27 17:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-08 6:54 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-08 9:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-08 9:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-02-08 9:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-27 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 0:38 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-27 0:38 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 15:00 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 21:02 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 21:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 22:03 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 23:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:27 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:27 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-23 8:05 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-01-22 17:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-20 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 13:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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