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From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	utrace-devel@redhat.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:00:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100126150015.GA24292@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m33a1tnbd9.fsf@fleche.redhat.com>

Hi -

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 02:05:54PM -0700, Tom Tromey wrote:
> [...]
> Nevertheless, if the Linux kernel were to present a new user-space API,
> and if it had an advantage over ptrace, then we would port GDB to use
> it.  There are other platforms where, IIRC, we now use some /proc thing
> instead of ptrace.
> 
> There are definitely things we would like from such an API.  Here's a
> few I can think of immediately, there are probably others.
> 
> * Use an fd, not SIGCHLD+wait, to report inferior state changes to gdb.
>   [...] Relatedly, don't mess with the inferior's parentage.

This is satisfied by the gdbstub prototype.

> * Support "displaced stepping" in the kernel [...]

I believe this is tantamount to hardware breakpoint support, which is
already present (via optional uprobes).

> * Support some kind of breakpoint expression in the kernel; this would
>   improve performance of conditional breakpoints.  Perhaps the existing
>   gdb agent expressions could be used.

This is in the todo list.


And that "KILLER FEATURE" of running strace plus gdb on the same
process?  It *already works* with the gdbstub, and unmodified strace +
gdb, thanks to utrace multiplexing process control.  It is still
artificially restricted in many ways, but this sort of thing is ready
for testing:

% process &
[1] 9999
% strace -o FILE -p 9999 &
% gdb process
(gdb) target remote /proc/9999/gdb
(gdb) backtrace 
(gdb) cont
(gdb) ^D
%
[process continues]
% cat FILE
[...]
% kill 9999


- FChE

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-26 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100119211646.GF16096@redhat.com>
2010-01-20  0:12 ` linux-next: add utrace tree Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20  5:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:15     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20  6:28       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:40         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 10:43           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20  6:59         ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 13:24           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20 13:24             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20  7:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 14:38           ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-21  1:22             ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22  0:17             ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-22  0:30               ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:31                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:51                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  0:51                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:05                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  1:25                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:25                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:32                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  2:22                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  2:22                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  2:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 20:51                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-23  6:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23  6:04                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 12:03                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 16:36                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-22  1:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  5:21                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 13:43                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-22 19:39                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 19:39                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 13:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-22 18:28                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 18:28                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 20:01                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:01                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:16                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 21:44                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:44                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 22:13                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23  0:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  0:22                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  0:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  6:20                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-23 11:01                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-23 11:51                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:51                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 15:57                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-01-23 11:23                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 11:47                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 11:47                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 19:48                                           ` tytso
2010-01-24 18:01                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 18:01                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25  1:42                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25  1:42                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25  4:55                                               ` tytso
2010-01-25 16:52                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 16:52                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:02                                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 17:36                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:54                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:03                                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-25 18:12                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 18:30                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:45                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-25 20:34                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-25 20:30                                                     ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:30                                                       ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:42                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26  0:02                                                         ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26  0:02                                                           ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26  0:07                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:08                                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-01-26 16:28                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:34                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-28 23:53                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-29  0:21                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25  4:59                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-25 10:13                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-24  5:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-24 10:25                                         ` tytso
2010-01-24 13:20                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 13:20                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 21:05                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:05                                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:41                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 21:41                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 14:21                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-26 23:20                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:20                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:37                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27  6:52                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27  8:54                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-28  1:52                                                     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-28  8:55                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  0:59                                                         ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-29  7:39                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  7:52                                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:55                                                               ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:16                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:11                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:31                                                                 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:51                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 18:13                                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29 18:13                                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29  4:55                                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:42                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-30 17:49                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-30 17:59                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-02  6:47                                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-02-02  6:47                                                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-27 10:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 10:55                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 10:58                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:04                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 16:01                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-27 11:05                                                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-27 11:08                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:20                                                           ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-02-08 10:09                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-08 10:09                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 11:07                                                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 11:07                                                       ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 13:59                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-27 17:42                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 17:42                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 18:53                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-08  6:54                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-08  9:30                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-08  9:53                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-02-08  9:53                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-27 19:18                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 19:18                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27  0:38                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-27  0:38                                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 15:00                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2010-01-26 17:33                                           ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 18:46                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 21:02                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 21:53                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 22:03                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 23:32                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:32                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:27                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:27                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-23  8:05                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-01-22 17:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-20  8:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 13:01         ` Frank Ch. Eigler

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