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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	avi@redhat.com, markmc@redhat.com, ogerlitz@voltaire.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH qemu-kvm] Add raw(af_packet) network backend to qemu
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:39:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201001272239.13383.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B6047A7.2030408@codemonkey.ws>

On Wednesday 27 January 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >> I think -net socket,fd should just be (trivially) extended to work with raw
> >> sockets out of the box, with no support for opening it. Then you can have
> >> libvirt or some wrapper open a raw socket and a private namespace and just pass it
> >> down.
> >>      
> > That'd work. Anthony?
> 
> The fundamental problem that I have with all of this is that we should 
> not be introducing new network backends that are based around something 
> only a developer is going to understand.  If I'm a user and I want to 
> use an external switch in VEPA mode, how in the world am I going to know 
> that I'm supposed to use the -net raw backend or the -net socket 
> backend?  It might as well be the -net butterflies backend as far as a 
> user is concerned.

My point is that we already have -net socket,fd and any user that passes
an fd into that already knows what he wants to do with it. Making it
work with raw sockets is just a natural extension to this, which works
on all kernels and (with separate namespaces) is reasonably secure.

I fully agree that we should not introduce further network backends
that would confuse users, but making the existing backends more
flexible is something entirely different.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-27 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26 20:40 [PATCH qemu-kvm] Add raw(af_packet) network backend to qemu Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-26 20:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 20:50   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 23:19     ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27  9:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27  9:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27  9:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 14:03           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 21:39             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2010-01-27 22:56               ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-28  6:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-28 16:53                   ` Jens Osterkamp
2010-01-28 11:22                 ` Or Gerlitz
2010-01-29 20:52                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-29 20:52                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27 14:07       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 16:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 17:07           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 17:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 17:36               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 17:54                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27 18:02                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 18:03                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 19:54                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28  8:12                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-28 13:56                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 14:13                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 14:39                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 14:52                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 15:05                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 16:37                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 17:58                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 18:04                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 19:57                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-29 11:26                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 20:29                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-01 15:47                         ` Or Gerlitz
2010-01-27 18:12                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-26 23:15   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-26 23:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27  0:06     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27  6:52       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27  6:52         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27 14:14         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 14:14           ` Anthony Liguori

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