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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	"linux-pm" <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Is it supposed to be ok to call del_gendisk while userspace is frozen?
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 01:23:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201003040123.13617.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1003031720530.1380-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > > > > The reason for freezing those tasks is to avoid writebacks at random
> > > > > times during a system sleep transition, when the underlying device may
> > > > > already be suspended, right?
> > > > 
> > > > It is also there to avoid inconsistency between in-filesystem data and
> > > > snapshot in hibernation image.
> > > 
> > > A good point, although in this case I think it won't matter.  Writing
> > > out a dirty page twice (once right after taking the snapshot and then
> > > again after resuming from hibernation) will leave the disk in a correct
> > > state.
> > 
> > No, I don't think so. Have you considered all the various journalling
> > systems?
> > 
> > Definitely not in presence of I/O errors. Commit block can only be
> > written after previous blocks are successfully writen to the journal.
> > 
> > So lets see:
> > 
> > <snapshot>
> > 
> > Write previous block, write commit block, write more blocks
> > 
> > <hibernation powerdown, restart>
> > 
> > Error writing previous block (block now contains garbage), leading to
> > kernel panic
> > 
> > <restart>
> > 
> > journalling assumptions broken: commit block is there, but previous
> > blocks are not intact. Data loss.
> > 
> > ...and that was the first I could think about. Lets not do
> >  this. Barriers were invented for a reason.
> 
> Very well.  Then we still need a solution to the original problem:  
> Devices sometimes need to be unregistered during resume, but
> del_gendisk() blocks on the writeback thread, which is frozen until
> after the resume finishes.  How do you suggest this be fixed?

I thought about thawing the writeback thread earlier in such cases.

Would that makes sense / is it doable at all?

Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-04  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-13 13:29 Is it supposed to be ok to call del_gendisk while userspace is frozen? Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-13 13:29 ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-15 16:00 ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-15 21:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-16 16:27     ` Alan Stern
2010-02-16 16:27     ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-02-20 22:22       ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-20 22:22         ` [linux-pm] " Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-23 12:33       ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 12:33       ` [linux-pm] " Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 15:29         ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 15:58           ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 16:33             ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 22:16               ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 22:16               ` [linux-pm] " Jens Axboe
2010-02-24 15:59                 ` Alan Stern
2010-02-24 15:59                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-02-24 19:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-24 20:19                     ` Alan Stern
2010-02-24 20:19                     ` Alan Stern
2010-02-24 19:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 16:33             ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 16:42             ` Testing for dirty buffers on a block device Alan Stern
2010-02-23 22:13               ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-23 22:13               ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-24 15:51                 ` Alan Stern
2010-02-24 19:09                   ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-24 20:09                     ` Alan Stern
2010-02-24 20:09                     ` Alan Stern
2010-02-25  8:20                       ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-25  8:20                       ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-25 22:19                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-25 22:19                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-02-24 19:09                   ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-24 15:51                 ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 16:42             ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 15:58           ` Is it supposed to be ok to call del_gendisk while userspace is frozen? Jens Axboe
2010-03-01  6:35           ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-01  6:35           ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2010-03-01 15:23             ` Alan Stern
2010-03-01 15:23             ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-03-03 21:50               ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-03 21:50               ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2010-03-03 22:23                 ` Alan Stern
2010-03-04  0:23                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2010-03-04  2:48                     ` Alan Stern
2010-03-04  2:48                     ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-03-04 19:26                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-03-04 19:26                       ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-03-04 19:36                         ` Alan Stern
2010-03-04 19:36                           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-03-04 20:04                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-03-04 20:04                           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-03-04 20:15                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-04 20:15                           ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2010-04-22 23:40                           ` Matt Reimer
2010-04-23  5:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-11 23:55                               ` Matt Reimer
2010-05-12 14:50                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-12 14:50                                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:44                                   ` Matt Reimer
2010-05-13 21:54                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:20                                       ` Matt Reimer
2010-05-13 22:47                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-15  2:37                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  2:37                                           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-05-15  2:53                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-16 19:35                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:35                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:53                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-13 22:47                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-15  2:32                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  2:32                                         ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-05-15 20:30                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15 20:30                                           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16  7:49                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-16 19:38                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:38                                               ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 21:32                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-17  2:22                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17  7:45                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-17 20:35                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 22:51                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-18 19:43                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 19:43                                                           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:06                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-18 20:06                                                             ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-05-24 19:02                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-24 21:21                                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-24 21:21                                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-24 19:02                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-17 22:51                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-17 20:35                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17  7:45                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-17  2:22                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-16 21:32                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-16  7:49                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2010-05-13 22:20                                       ` Matt Reimer
2010-05-13 21:54                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:44                                   ` Matt Reimer
2010-05-11 23:55                               ` Matt Reimer
2010-04-23  5:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-22 23:40                           ` Matt Reimer
2010-03-04  0:23                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-03-04 13:53                   ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2010-06-04 11:20                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-06-04 11:20                     ` [linux-pm] " Maxim Levitsky
2010-06-04 14:59                       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04 15:19                         ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-06-04 17:52                           ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04 17:52                           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-06-04 15:19                         ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-06-04 14:59                       ` Alan Stern
2010-03-04 13:53                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-03 22:23                 ` Alan Stern
2010-02-23 15:29         ` Alan Stern
2010-02-15 21:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-15 16:00 ` Maxim Levitsky

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