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From: Luc Verhaegen <libv@skynet.be>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 02:16:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100305011627.GA524@skynet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003041702110.3659@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 05:08:00PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Luc Verhaegen wrote:
> > 
> > libdrm is composed of the main libdrm, and several driver specific 
> > libdrms today (... and libkms, yes).
> 
> It's actually not libdrm that is the primary issue, I'm sorry for saying 
> that.
> 
> It's the nouveau_drv.so thing - the actual X driver. 
> 
> Anyway, since I had looked at the libdrm sources, I had most of this on my 
> machine anyway, so I've compiled it all, and am going to reboot and see if 
> I can make a few symlinks work.
> 
> IOW, right now I have this:
> 
>    [root@nehalem ~]# cd /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/
>    [root@nehalem drivers]# ll nouveau_drv.so*
>    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      21 2010-03-04 17:00 nouveau_drv.so -> nouveau_drv.so-0.0.16
>    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  343784 2010-03-04 16:59 nouveau_drv.so-0.0.15
>    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1698805 2010-03-04 16:59 nouveau_drv.so-0.0.16
> 
> and I'll see if that works (yeah, yeah, I didn't strip the thing, and 
> it's compiled with whatever defaults that probably include debugging too, 
> so it's huge).
> 
> Quite frankly, I still think that I shouldn't have to play these kinds of 
> games. I think the versioning should be built in. And I still think that 
> "staging" is not an excuse for "it's bad crap, and we don't care"
> 
> 			Linus

In an ideal world, you shouldn't be forced to update anything except 
some/all of the driver bits.

But the fact that libdrm is lumped together as it is, and that mesa is a 
monolith, forces you to update a more significant portion of your 
system. You have to resort to some serious manual labour to get around 
that atm.

Luc Verhaegen.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Luc Verhaegen <libv@skynet.be>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 02:16:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100305011627.GA524@skynet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003041702110.3659@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 05:08:00PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Luc Verhaegen wrote:
> > 
> > libdrm is composed of the main libdrm, and several driver specific 
> > libdrms today (... and libkms, yes).
> 
> It's actually not libdrm that is the primary issue, I'm sorry for saying 
> that.
> 
> It's the nouveau_drv.so thing - the actual X driver. 
> 
> Anyway, since I had looked at the libdrm sources, I had most of this on my 
> machine anyway, so I've compiled it all, and am going to reboot and see if 
> I can make a few symlinks work.
> 
> IOW, right now I have this:
> 
>    [root@nehalem ~]# cd /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/
>    [root@nehalem drivers]# ll nouveau_drv.so*
>    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      21 2010-03-04 17:00 nouveau_drv.so -> nouveau_drv.so-0.0.16
>    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  343784 2010-03-04 16:59 nouveau_drv.so-0.0.15
>    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1698805 2010-03-04 16:59 nouveau_drv.so-0.0.16
> 
> and I'll see if that works (yeah, yeah, I didn't strip the thing, and 
> it's compiled with whatever defaults that probably include debugging too, 
> so it's huge).
> 
> Quite frankly, I still think that I shouldn't have to play these kinds of 
> games. I think the versioning should be built in. And I still think that 
> "staging" is not an excuse for "it's bad crap, and we don't care"
> 
> 			Linus

In an ideal world, you shouldn't be forced to update anything except 
some/all of the driver bits.

But the fact that libdrm is lumped together as it is, and that mesa is a 
monolith, forces you to update a more significant portion of your 
system. You have to resort to some serious manual labour to get around 
that atm.

Luc Verhaegen.

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Thread overview: 290+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-02 23:56 [git pull] drm request 3 Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:27   ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:27   ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:36   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:36   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:39     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:56         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:56         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 20:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  0:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:28                     ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05  0:28                     ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05  0:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:41                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:56                         ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  0:56                         ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:16                             ` Luc Verhaegen [this message]
2010-03-05  1:16                               ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:28                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  1:28                                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:22                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:22                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:30                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:19                         ` Upstream first policy Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05  1:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  2:00                         ` [git pull] drm request 3 Tony Luck
2010-03-05  2:00                         ` Tony Luck
2010-03-05 20:34                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 20:34                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05  6:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  6:49                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:06                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05  7:06                           ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05  7:17                           ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05  7:17                           ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05  7:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 15:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  7:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:58                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  7:58                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  8:16                             ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05  8:16                             ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 10:00                             ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Carlos R. Mafra
2010-03-05 10:00                             ` Carlos R. Mafra
2010-03-05 12:54                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 12:54                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:22                               ` Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:41                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:41                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:49                                   ` Making Xorg easier to test David Miller
2010-03-05 15:49                                   ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:03                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:03                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:06                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 17:50                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 17:54                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:54                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:02                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:02                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:05                                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:05                                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:50                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 15:22                               ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:11                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:11                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-08  8:57                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-08  8:57                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:26                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 16:26                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 15:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 13:55                             ` [git pull] drm request 3 Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 13:55                             ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 16:21                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 16:21                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05  7:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 12:38                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 12:38                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 14:37                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:37                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:46                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 14:46                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 18:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 18:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:09                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:11                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:11                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:09                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:17                             ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:17                               ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:26                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:40                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:40                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48                                   ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:05                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:05                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:58                                         ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 17:58                                         ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 16:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:23                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:23                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:04                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:04                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:10                                               ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05 17:19                                               ` tytso
2010-03-05 23:54                                                 ` Garry Hurley
2010-03-05 17:19                                               ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:04                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:36                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 17:36                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 16:06                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:46                                       ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:46                                       ` tytso
2010-03-05 19:38                                         ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 19:38                                           ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01                                           ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01                                           ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:51                                           ` tytso
2010-03-05 21:51                                           ` tytso
     [not found]                                             ` <e7bd23c31003051452i117eadc1m5284ac5d14b6465d@mail.gmail.com>
2010-03-05 22:59                                               ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 23:50                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 23:50                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 17:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                       ` <hmra63$898$1@xyzzy.farnsworth.org>
2010-03-06  6:17                                         ` Dale Farnsworth
2010-03-06 17:21                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-06 17:21                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 16:04                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48                                   ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:56                                   ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:13                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:13                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:19                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 20:59                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 20:59                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 16:19                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:25                                       ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:25                                       ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:56                                   ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 15:26                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:42                               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 17:42                               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 19:11                                 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-05 19:11                                 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-05  0:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 19:33             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:33             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:12         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:12         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:39     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:50     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:50     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:04         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:04         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:53                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 20:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:57                     ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 20:57                       ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 22:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03                         ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:27                             ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:27                               ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:35                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:35                                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:28                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:03                         ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:05                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 23:05                           ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:26                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 12:26                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 22:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:53                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 22:28             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:28               ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 23:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:14                 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 23:14                 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 12:29                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 12:29                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:18                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 16:18                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:59                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:59                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 11:24                   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 11:24                   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 15:46                     ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 15:46                     ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05  1:47             ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05  1:47             ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05 12:21             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 12:21             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 19:30               ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 19:30               ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 20:39                 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 20:39                 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-04 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 18:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 15:23     ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 17:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 17:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:06         ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:06           ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 20:49             ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:49               ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52               ` Alan Cox
2010-03-06 22:38                 ` tytso
2010-03-06 22:38                   ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52               ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 21:21   ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:21     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27   ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27   ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-05 22:18 Jonas Ritz
2010-03-02 23:56 Dave Airlie

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