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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Zhang Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] perf events finer grained context instrumentation / context exclusion
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:16:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100610101637.GA10406@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100610073140.GE12752@nowhere>


* Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Performance counter stats for './hackbench 5' (10 runs):
> 
>          1313640764  instructions             #      0,241 IPC     ( +-   1,393% )  (scaled from 100,05%)
>           214737441  branches                   ( +-   0,948% )
> 
>          1293802776  instructions             #      0,245 IPC     ( +-   0,343% )
>           209495435  branches                   ( +-   0,392% )

Indeed it's about 4 times less noise, not bad.

Cycles is fundamentally random.

> So yeah, the results look a bit better. Still not perfects:
> 
> - we are still instrumenting the tiny parts between the true interrupt
>   and irq_enter() (same for irq_exit() and the end). Same for softirqs.
> 
> - random randomnesses...

Random randomness shouldnt occur for something like instructions or branches.

Could you try some 'must not be variable' workload, like:

    taskset 1 ./hackbench 1

If the workload is pinned to a single CPU then it ought to not be variable at 
all. (modulo things like hash chain lengths and slab caching details, but 
those should not cause 0.4% kind of noise IMO)

Btw., we could try to record all branches of an execution (using BTS, of a 
relatively short but static-length run), and see where the variance comes 
from. I doubt the current BTS code is ready for that, but it would be 'the' 
magic trace-from-hell that includes all execution of the task, recorded at the 
hardware level.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-10 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-10  3:49 [PATCH 0/5] perf events finer grained context instrumentation / context exclusion Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  3:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] perf: Provide a proper stop action for software events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 10:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 11:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 16:12       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 16:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 16:29           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 16:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 17:04               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 19:54           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 12:06     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-10  3:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] perf: Support disable() after stop() on " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 10:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 16:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  3:49 ` [PATCH 3/5] perf: New PERF_EVENT_STATE_PAUSED event state Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 10:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 16:26     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  3:49 ` [PATCH 4/5] perf: Introduce task, softirq and hardirq contexts exclusion Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 11:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-10 16:24     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  3:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] perf: Support for task/softirq/hardirq exclusion on tools Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  6:26 ` [PATCH 0/5] perf events finer grained context instrumentation / context exclusion Ingo Molnar
2010-06-10  7:15   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10  7:31   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-10 10:16     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-06-10 17:03       ` Frederic Weisbecker

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