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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: Implement balance_dirty_pages() through waiting for flusher thread
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:34:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100623013426.GA6706@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100622224551.GS7869@dastard>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 06:45:51AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:38:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Tue 22-06-10 10:31:24, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 09:52:34PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > 2) most writeback will be submitted by one per-bdi-flusher, so no worry
> > > >    of cache bouncing (this also means the per CPU counter error is
> > > >    normally bounded by the batch size)
> > > 
> > > What counter are we talking about exactly?  Once balanance_dirty_pages
> >   The new per-bdi counter I'd like to introduce.
> > 
> > > stops submitting I/O the per-bdi flusher thread will in fact be
> > > the only thing submitting writeback, unless you count direct invocations
> > > of writeback_single_inode.
> >   Yes, I agree that the per-bdi flusher thread should be the only thread
> > submitting lots of IO (there is direct reclaim or kswapd if we change
> > direct reclaim but those should be negligible). So does this mean that
> > also I/O completions will be local to the CPU running per-bdi flusher
> > thread? Because the counter is incremented from the I/O completion
> > callback.
> 
> By default we set QUEUE_FLAG_SAME_COMP, which means we hand
> completions back to the submitter CPU during blk_complete_request().
> Completion processing is then handled by a softirq on the CPU
> selected for completion processing.

Good to know about that, thanks!

> This was done, IIRC, because it provided some OLTP benchmark 1-2%
> better results. It can, however, be turned off via
> /sys/block/<foo>/queue/rq_affinity, and there's no guarantee that
> the completion processing doesn't get handled off to some other CPU
> (e.g. via a workqueue) so we cannot rely on this completion
> behaviour to avoid cacheline bouncing.

If rq_affinity does not work reliably somewhere in the IO completion
path, why not trying to fix it? Otherwise all the page/mapping/zone
cachelines covered by test_set_page_writeback()/test_clear_page_writeback()
(and more other functions) will also be bounced.

Another option is to put atomic accounting into test_set_page_writeback()
ie. the IO submission path. This actually matches the current
balanance_dirty_pages() behavior. It may then block on get_request().
The down side is, get_request() blocks until queue depth goes down
from nr_congestion_on to nr_congestion_off, which is not as smooth as
the IO completion path. As a result balanance_dirty_pages() may get
delayed much more than necessary when there is only 1 waiter, and
wake up multiple waiters in bursts.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: Implement balance_dirty_pages() through waiting for flusher thread
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:34:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100623013426.GA6706@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100622224551.GS7869@dastard>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 06:45:51AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:38:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Tue 22-06-10 10:31:24, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 09:52:34PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > 2) most writeback will be submitted by one per-bdi-flusher, so no worry
> > > >    of cache bouncing (this also means the per CPU counter error is
> > > >    normally bounded by the batch size)
> > > 
> > > What counter are we talking about exactly?  Once balanance_dirty_pages
> >   The new per-bdi counter I'd like to introduce.
> > 
> > > stops submitting I/O the per-bdi flusher thread will in fact be
> > > the only thing submitting writeback, unless you count direct invocations
> > > of writeback_single_inode.
> >   Yes, I agree that the per-bdi flusher thread should be the only thread
> > submitting lots of IO (there is direct reclaim or kswapd if we change
> > direct reclaim but those should be negligible). So does this mean that
> > also I/O completions will be local to the CPU running per-bdi flusher
> > thread? Because the counter is incremented from the I/O completion
> > callback.
> 
> By default we set QUEUE_FLAG_SAME_COMP, which means we hand
> completions back to the submitter CPU during blk_complete_request().
> Completion processing is then handled by a softirq on the CPU
> selected for completion processing.

Good to know about that, thanks!

> This was done, IIRC, because it provided some OLTP benchmark 1-2%
> better results. It can, however, be turned off via
> /sys/block/<foo>/queue/rq_affinity, and there's no guarantee that
> the completion processing doesn't get handled off to some other CPU
> (e.g. via a workqueue) so we cannot rely on this completion
> behaviour to avoid cacheline bouncing.

If rq_affinity does not work reliably somewhere in the IO completion
path, why not trying to fix it? Otherwise all the page/mapping/zone
cachelines covered by test_set_page_writeback()/test_clear_page_writeback()
(and more other functions) will also be bounced.

Another option is to put atomic accounting into test_set_page_writeback()
ie. the IO submission path. This actually matches the current
balanance_dirty_pages() behavior. It may then block on get_request().
The down side is, get_request() blocks until queue depth goes down
from nr_congestion_on to nr_congestion_off, which is not as smooth as
the IO completion path. As a result balanance_dirty_pages() may get
delayed much more than necessary when there is only 1 waiter, and
wake up multiple waiters in bursts.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-23  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-17 18:04 [PATCH RFC] mm: Implement balance_dirty_pages() through waiting for flusher thread Jan Kara
2010-06-17 18:04 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-18  6:09 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-18  9:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-18 23:29     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-21 23:36   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22  5:44     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-22  6:14       ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-22  7:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-22  8:24           ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-22  8:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-22 10:09         ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-22 13:17           ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 13:17             ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 13:52             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 13:52               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 13:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-22 13:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-22 14:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-22 14:36                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 14:02               ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 14:02                 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 14:24                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 14:24                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 22:29                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23 13:15                   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-23 13:15                     ` Jan Kara
2010-06-23 23:06                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-22 14:31               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22 14:31                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22 14:38                 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 14:38                   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 22:45                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23  1:34                     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-06-23  1:34                       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-23  3:06                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23  3:22                         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-23  3:22                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-23  6:03                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23  6:03                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23  6:25                             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-23  6:25                               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-23 23:42                               ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-23 23:42                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-22 14:41                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 11:19       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 11:19         ` Jan Kara
2010-06-18 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-21 13:31   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-18 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-21 14:02   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-21 14:02     ` Jan Kara
2010-06-21 14:10     ` Jan Kara
2010-06-21 14:10       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-21 14:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-18 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-21 13:42   ` Jan Kara
2010-06-21 13:42     ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22  4:07     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22  4:07       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 13:27       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 13:27         ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22 13:33         ` Wu Fengguang

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