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From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segooon@gmail.com>
To: walter harms <wharms@bfs.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <borislav.petkov@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/10] x86: mce: fix error handling
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:07:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100731190721.GA16357@albatros> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C51538C.1090803@bfs.de>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:10 +0200, walter harms wrote:
> 
> 
> Andi Kleen schrieb:
> > 
> >> IMO memmory allocation fails are dangerous in kernel mode. As it is
> >> probably not exploitable because of boot time, it can destroy some
> >> sensitive data like dirty disk caches those are going to be written on
> >> disk.
> > 
> > It's true for runtime, but not for normal boot time.
> > 
> > Anyways if it happens on boot time the only thing you can do is panic,
> > but someone else
> > will likely panic anyways for you. Just ignoring it like your patch
> > effectively does
> > (because nothing will ever look at the ENOMEMs for an initcall) is wrong
> > though
> > In this case it's actually better to oops like the original code does.
> > 
> > BTW even with your patch likely later code will crash anyways because it
> > doesn't
> > expect init code to fail.
> > 
> 
> NTL it is nice to have a error message. for users it is worse if you crash suddenly
> with out warning than having a crash with "OOM" before because it gives you a clue
> what is going on.
> short:
> please think of users that are not kernel developers give them a hint what went wrong.
> 
> to make thinks more easy on boot we could replace kalloc() with kmalloc_or_die().
The thing is that this driver does not call kmalloc() explicitly, it
uses function those call functions those call kmalloc() :)

If we call BUG_ON() in init code, it would not make big overhead and
would make fault exactly when bug was detected, independent from caller
checks. Andi, are you fine with it?

> When anyone runs out of mem on boottime you can panic() instantly.
> 
> just my to cents,
>  wh
> 

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From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segooon@gmail.com>
To: walter harms <wharms@bfs.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <borislav.petkov@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/10] x86: mce: fix error handling
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:07:21 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100731190721.GA16357@albatros> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C51538C.1090803@bfs.de>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:10 +0200, walter harms wrote:
> 
> 
> Andi Kleen schrieb:
> > 
> >> IMO memmory allocation fails are dangerous in kernel mode. As it is
> >> probably not exploitable because of boot time, it can destroy some
> >> sensitive data like dirty disk caches those are going to be written on
> >> disk.
> > 
> > It's true for runtime, but not for normal boot time.
> > 
> > Anyways if it happens on boot time the only thing you can do is panic,
> > but someone else
> > will likely panic anyways for you. Just ignoring it like your patch
> > effectively does
> > (because nothing will ever look at the ENOMEMs for an initcall) is wrong
> > though
> > In this case it's actually better to oops like the original code does.
> > 
> > BTW even with your patch likely later code will crash anyways because it
> > doesn't
> > expect init code to fail.
> > 
> 
> NTL it is nice to have a error message. for users it is worse if you crash suddenly
> with out warning than having a crash with "OOM" before because it gives you a clue
> what is going on.
> short:
> please think of users that are not kernel developers give them a hint what went wrong.
> 
> to make thinks more easy on boot we could replace kalloc() with kmalloc_or_die().
The thing is that this driver does not call kmalloc() explicitly, it
uses function those call functions those call kmalloc() :)

If we call BUG_ON() in init code, it would not make big overhead and
would make fault exactly when bug was detected, independent from caller
checks. Andi, are you fine with it?

> When anyone runs out of mem on boottime you can panic() instantly.
> 
> just my to cents,
>  wh
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-31 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-28 16:39 [PATCH 04/10] x86: mce: fix error handling Kulikov Vasiliy
2010-07-28 16:39 ` Kulikov Vasiliy
2010-07-28 16:48 ` Borislav Petkov
2010-07-28 16:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2010-07-28 17:07 ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-28 17:07   ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-28 17:13   ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-28 17:13     ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-28 17:20     ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-28 17:20       ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-29  9:35       ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-29  9:35         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-29  9:51         ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-29  9:51           ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-29 10:10           ` walter harms
2010-07-29 10:10             ` walter harms
2010-07-31 18:18             ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-31 18:18               ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-31 19:07             ` Vasiliy Kulikov [this message]
2010-07-31 19:07               ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2010-07-29 10:16           ` Borislav Petkov
2010-07-29 10:16             ` Borislav Petkov

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