From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:50:45 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101015205045.GA20476@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101015105943.GE32255@dastard>
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 09:59:43PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 05:41:50PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > You're worried about mere mortals reviewing and understanding it...
> > I don't really know. If you understand inode locking today, you
> > can understand the inode scaling series quite easily. Ditto for
> > dcache. rcu-walk path walking is trickier, but it is described in
> > detail in documentation and changelog.
> >
> > And you can understand the high level approach without exactly
> > digesting every detail at once. The inode locking work goes to
> > break up all global locks:
> >
> > - a single inode object is protected (to the same level as
> > inode_lock) with i_lock. This makes it really trivial for
> > filesystems to lock down the object without taking a global
> > lock.
>
> Which is unnecessarily wide, and results in i_lock having to have
> list locks nested inside it, and that leads to the lock
> inversion try-lock mess that several people have complained about.
Gee, you keep repeating this so often that you have me doubting
myself a tiny bit, so I have to check.
$ grep spin_trylock fs/inode.c fs/fs-writeback.c
fs/inode.c: if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/inode.c: if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
fs/inode.c: if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c: if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c: if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
fs/fs-writeback.c: if (!spin_trylock(&inode->i_lock)) {
This is your unmaintainable mess? You decided to rewrite your own
vfs-scale tree because I wanted i_lock to protect the icache state (and
offered you very good reason for)?
Well, surely they must be horrible complex and unmaintainable
beasts....
repeat:
/*
* Don't use RCU walks, common case of no old inode
* found requires hash lock.
*/
spin_lock_bucket(b);
hlist_bl_for_each_entry(old, node, &b->head, i_hash) {
if (old->i_ino != ino)
continue;
if (old->i_sb != sb)
continue;
if (old->i_state & (I_FREEING|I_WILL_FREE))
continue;
if (!spin_trylock(&old->i_lock)) {
spin_unlock_bucket(b);
cpu_relax();
goto repeat;
}
Nope, no big deal. The rest are much the same. So thanks for the
repeated suggestion, but I'll actually prefer to keep my regular i_lock
locking scheme where you don't need to look up the documentation and
think hard about coherency between protected and unprotected parts of
the inode whenever you use it. I didn't stumble upon my locking design
by chance.
If you think a few trylocks == impending doom, then xfs is looking
pretty poorly at this point. So I would ask that you stop making things
up about my patch series. If you dislike the trylocks so much that you
think it is worth breaking the i_lock regularity or using RCU or
whatever, then please propose them as incremental patches to the end
of my series where you can see they logically will fit. You know I will
argue that locking consistency is more important for maintainability
than these few trylocks, however.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-15 20:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-08 5:21 fs: Inode cache scalability V2 Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 01/18] kernel: add bl_list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:18 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:33 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 02/18] fs: Convert nr_inodes and nr_unused to per-cpu counters Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 03/18] fs: keep inode with backing-dev Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:27 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 04/18] fs: Implement lazy LRU updates for inodes Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:31 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 9:08 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 9:51 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 05/18] fs: inode split IO and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:38 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 9:16 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 9:58 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 06/18] fs: Clean up inode reference counting Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:46 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 07/18] exofs: use iput() for inode reference count decrements Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 7:56 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 08/18] fs: add inode reference coutn read accessor Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 09/18] fs: rework icount to be a locked variable Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:50 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:16 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08 9:32 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:15 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 13:14 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-08 13:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:09 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 10/18] fs: Factor inode hash operations into functions Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 9:41 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 11/18] fs: Introduce per-bucket inode hash locks Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 7:51 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 9:49 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 9:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 13:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:17 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 18:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:12 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17 0:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17 2:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17 0:46 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17 2:25 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-18 16:16 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-18 16:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-19 7:00 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-19 16:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-20 3:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-24 15:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-24 21:17 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-25 4:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-25 7:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-26 0:12 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-26 0:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-26 0:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 12/18] fs: add a per-superblock lock for the inode list Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 13/18] fs: split locking of inode writeback and LRU lists Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 8:00 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:19 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17 1:00 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-17 2:20 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 14/18] fs: Protect inode->i_state with th einode->i_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 8:04 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 8:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 14:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-10 2:01 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 15/18] fs: introduce a per-cpu last_ino allocator Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 8:05 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:22 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 8:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 9:58 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:09 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-08 10:19 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:20 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 10:20 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 9:56 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:20 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 10:20 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 13:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 14:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 14:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-08 19:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 17:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:21 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 16/18] fs: Make iunique independent of inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 7:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 8:06 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 17/18] fs: icache remove inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 8:09 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-13 7:20 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 7:27 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 12:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:25 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 10:42 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-13 12:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 11:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-13 12:30 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-13 23:23 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-14 9:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-14 9:13 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-14 14:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15 0:14 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 3:13 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 3:30 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 3:44 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 6:41 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 10:59 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 13:29 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 17:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15 18:02 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 18:14 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 2:09 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 14:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 20:50 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-10-15 20:56 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 11:33 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-15 13:14 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-15 15:38 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-08 5:21 ` [PATCH 18/18] fs: Reduce inode I_FREEING and factor inode disposal Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 8:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-08 10:18 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 10:52 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-08 12:10 ` Al Viro
2010-10-08 13:55 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 17:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-10-09 8:08 ` [PATCH 19/18] fs: split __inode_add_to_list Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 10:47 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-12 10:47 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-12 11:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-12 12:05 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 20/18] fs: do not assign default i_ino in new_inode Christoph Hellwig
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