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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dimitrios Apostolou <jimis@gmx.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:20:06 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101102012006.GA3432@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ial40e$jpj$1@dough.gmane.org>

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 01:09:34AM +0000, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:51:32 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > It may also help to lower the dirty ratio.
> > 
> > echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio
> > 
> > Memory pressure + heavy write can easily hurt responsiveness.
> > 
> > - eats up to 20% (the default value for dirty_ratio) memory with dirty
> >   pages and hence increase the memory pressure and number of swap IO
> 
> My experience has been different with that. Wouldn't it make more sense 
> to _increase_ dirty_ratio (to 50 lets say) and at the same time decrease 
> dirty_background_ratio? That way writing to disk starts early, but the 
> related apps stall waiting for I/O only when dirty_ratio is reached.

50% dirty ratio may help before the system goes thrashing (writing
processes will be throttled less/later). However Aidar is seeing hours
of unresponsiveness with heavy IO, in this case large dirty ratio
won't help reduce the throttling any more.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dimitrios Apostolou <jimis@gmx.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:20:06 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101102012006.GA3432@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ial40e$jpj$1@dough.gmane.org>

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 01:09:34AM +0000, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:51:32 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > It may also help to lower the dirty ratio.
> > 
> > echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio
> > 
> > Memory pressure + heavy write can easily hurt responsiveness.
> > 
> > - eats up to 20% (the default value for dirty_ratio) memory with dirty
> >   pages and hence increase the memory pressure and number of swap IO
> 
> My experience has been different with that. Wouldn't it make more sense 
> to _increase_ dirty_ratio (to 50 lets say) and at the same time decrease 
> dirty_background_ratio? That way writing to disk starts early, but the 
> related apps stall waiting for I/O only when dirty_ratio is reached.

50% dirty ratio may help before the system goes thrashing (writing
processes will be throttled less/later). However Aidar is seeing hours
of unresponsiveness with heavy IO, in this case large dirty ratio
won't help reduce the throttling any more.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2010-10-26 13:00 ` Fwd: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees Aidar Kultayev
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinzJ9a+9w7G5X0uZpX2o-L8E6XW98VFKoF1R_-S@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-28  6:09     ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28  6:32       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  6:32         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  9:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28  9:00           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28  9:34           ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  9:34             ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16           ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16             ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:33             ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:33               ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:48               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:48                 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 12:18                 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 12:18                   ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 13:46                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:46                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:47               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:47                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:50                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 17:01               ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:01                 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:57                 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 17:57                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-29 14:52                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 14:52                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 15:33                     ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-29 15:33                       ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30  9:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30  9:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30 13:02                         ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 13:02                           ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 19:06                           ` Chris Mason
2010-10-30 19:06                             ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31  2:31                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31  2:31                             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31 17:49                             ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-10-31 17:49                               ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-11-02  3:10                           ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02  3:10                             ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02 11:47                 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 11:47                   ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 13:12                   ` Chris Mason
2010-11-02 13:12                     ` Chris Mason
2010-11-04 16:05                     ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-04 16:05                       ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-04 23:35                       ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:35                         ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:44                 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:44                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48                     ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  1:43                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05  1:43                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05 12:48                       ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-05 12:48                         ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-06 14:10                         ` dave b
2010-11-06 14:10                           ` dave b
2010-11-06 15:12                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 15:12                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-07  6:06                             ` dave b
2010-11-07  6:06                               ` dave b
2010-11-07 12:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 12:08                             ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 15:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-07 15:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10  1:32                               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  1:32                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  2:01                                 ` dave b
2010-11-10  2:01                                   ` dave b
2010-11-10  8:08                                 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10  8:08                                   ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10  8:24                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  8:24                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 14:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:22                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:55                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:55                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 19:09                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 19:09                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:33                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:33                                   ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:57                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:57                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 15:00                                     ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 15:00                                       ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 23:36                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:36                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 15:59                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 15:59                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:46                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:46                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 17:10                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 17:10                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 18:55                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:55                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:27                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 18:27                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 23:43                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:43                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 19:10                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-06 19:10                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-07 17:16                       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-07 17:16                         ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-09 19:47                         ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 19:47                           ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 20:20                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 20:20                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 21:00                       ` Chris Mason
2010-11-09 21:00                         ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31  1:22       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:22         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:51         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:51           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-01  1:09           ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-01  1:09             ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-02  1:20             ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-11-02  1:20               ` Wu Fengguang

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