From: Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@olin.edu>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@gmail.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, <Peter.Zijl@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:05:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PE2Jp-00031X-Tx@approx.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:12:39 EDT." <20101102131239.GA8680@think>
> So this sounds like the backup is just thrashing your cache.
I think it's more than that. Starting an rxvt shouldn't take 8 seconds,
even with a cold cache. Actually, it does take a while, so you do have
a point. I just did
echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
and then started rxvt. That takes about 3 seconds (which seems long,
but I don't know wherein that slowness lies), of which maybe 0.25
seconds is loading and running 'date':
$ time rxvt -e date
real 0m2.782s
user 0m0.148s
sys 0m0.032s
The 8-second delay during the rsync must have at least two causes: (1)
the cache is wiped out, and (2) the rxvt binary cannot be paged in
quickly because the disk is doing lots of other I/O.
Can the system someknow that paging in the rxvt binary and shared
libraries is interactive I/O, because it was started by an interactive
process, and therefore should take priority over the rsync?
> Does rsync have the option to do an fadvise DONTNEED?
I couldn't find one. It would be good to have a solution that is
independent of the backup app. (The 'locate' cron job does a similar
thrashing of the interactive response.)
-Sanjoy
`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
glorify the hunters.' --African Proverb
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@olin.edu>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Peter.Zijl@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:05:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PE2Jp-00031X-Tx@approx.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:12:39 EDT." <20101102131239.GA8680@think>
> So this sounds like the backup is just thrashing your cache.
I think it's more than that. Starting an rxvt shouldn't take 8 seconds,
even with a cold cache. Actually, it does take a while, so you do have
a point. I just did
echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
and then started rxvt. That takes about 3 seconds (which seems long,
but I don't know wherein that slowness lies), of which maybe 0.25
seconds is loading and running 'date':
$ time rxvt -e date
real 0m2.782s
user 0m0.148s
sys 0m0.032s
The 8-second delay during the rsync must have at least two causes: (1)
the cache is wiped out, and (2) the rxvt binary cannot be paged in
quickly because the disk is doing lots of other I/O.
Can the system someknow that paging in the rxvt binary and shared
libraries is interactive I/O, because it was started by an interactive
process, and therefore should take priority over the rsync?
> Does rsync have the option to do an fadvise DONTNEED?
I couldn't find one. It would be good to have a solution that is
independent of the backup app. (The 'locate' cron job does a similar
thrashing of the interactive response.)
-Sanjoy
`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
glorify the hunters.' --African Proverb
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2010-10-26 13:00 ` Fwd: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees Aidar Kultayev
[not found] ` <AANLkTinzJ9a+9w7G5X0uZpX2o-L8E6XW98VFKoF1R_-S@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-28 6:09 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 6:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 6:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 9:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 9:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 9:34 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 9:34 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 12:18 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 12:18 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 13:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 17:01 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:01 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:57 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 17:57 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-29 14:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 14:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 15:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-29 15:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30 13:02 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 13:02 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 19:06 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-30 19:06 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31 2:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31 2:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31 17:49 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-10-31 17:49 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-11-02 3:10 ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02 3:10 ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02 11:47 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 11:47 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 13:12 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-02 13:12 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-04 16:05 ` Sanjoy Mahajan [this message]
2010-11-04 16:05 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-04 23:35 ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:35 ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:44 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:44 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05 1:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05 1:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05 12:48 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-05 12:48 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-06 14:10 ` dave b
2010-11-06 14:10 ` dave b
2010-11-06 15:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 15:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-07 6:06 ` dave b
2010-11-07 6:06 ` dave b
2010-11-07 12:08 ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 12:08 ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-07 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 1:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 1:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 2:01 ` dave b
2010-11-10 2:01 ` dave b
2010-11-10 8:08 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10 8:08 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10 8:24 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 8:24 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 14:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 19:09 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 19:09 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:33 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:33 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 15:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 15:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 23:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 15:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 15:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:46 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:46 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 17:10 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 17:10 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 18:55 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:55 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:27 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 18:27 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 23:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 19:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-06 19:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-07 17:16 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-07 17:16 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-09 19:47 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 19:47 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 20:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 20:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 21:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-09 21:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31 1:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31 1:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31 1:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31 1:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-01 1:09 ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-01 1:09 ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-02 1:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-02 1:20 ` Wu Fengguang
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