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From: Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@olin.edu>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@gmail.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, <Peter.Zijl@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:05:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PE2Jp-00031X-Tx@approx.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:12:39 EDT." <20101102131239.GA8680@think>

> So this sounds like the backup is just thrashing your cache.

I think it's more than that.  Starting an rxvt shouldn't take 8 seconds,
even with a cold cache.  Actually, it does take a while, so you do have
a point.  I just did

  echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

and then started rxvt.  That takes about 3 seconds (which seems long,
but I don't know wherein that slowness lies), of which maybe 0.25
seconds is loading and running 'date':

$ time rxvt -e date
real	0m2.782s
user	0m0.148s
sys	0m0.032s

The 8-second delay during the rsync must have at least two causes: (1)
the cache is wiped out, and (2) the rxvt binary cannot be paged in
quickly because the disk is doing lots of other I/O.  

Can the system someknow that paging in the rxvt binary and shared
libraries is interactive I/O, because it was started by an interactive
process, and therefore should take priority over the rsync?

> Does rsync have the option to do an fadvise DONTNEED?

I couldn't find one.  It would be good to have a solution that is
independent of the backup app.  (The 'locate' cron job does a similar
thrashing of the interactive response.)

-Sanjoy

`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb

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From: Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@olin.edu>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Peter.Zijl@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:05:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PE2Jp-00031X-Tx@approx.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:12:39 EDT." <20101102131239.GA8680@think>

> So this sounds like the backup is just thrashing your cache.

I think it's more than that.  Starting an rxvt shouldn't take 8 seconds,
even with a cold cache.  Actually, it does take a while, so you do have
a point.  I just did

  echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

and then started rxvt.  That takes about 3 seconds (which seems long,
but I don't know wherein that slowness lies), of which maybe 0.25
seconds is loading and running 'date':

$ time rxvt -e date
real	0m2.782s
user	0m0.148s
sys	0m0.032s

The 8-second delay during the rsync must have at least two causes: (1)
the cache is wiped out, and (2) the rxvt binary cannot be paged in
quickly because the disk is doing lots of other I/O.  

Can the system someknow that paging in the rxvt binary and shared
libraries is interactive I/O, because it was started by an interactive
process, and therefore should take priority over the rsync?

> Does rsync have the option to do an fadvise DONTNEED?

I couldn't find one.  It would be good to have a solution that is
independent of the backup app.  (The 'locate' cron job does a similar
thrashing of the interactive response.)

-Sanjoy

`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-04 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AANLkTimt7wzR9RwGWbvhiOmot_zzayfCfSh_-v6yvuAP@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-26 13:00 ` Fwd: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees Aidar Kultayev
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinzJ9a+9w7G5X0uZpX2o-L8E6XW98VFKoF1R_-S@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-28  6:09     ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28  6:32       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  6:32         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  9:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28  9:00           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28  9:34           ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28  9:34             ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16           ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16             ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:33             ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:33               ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:48               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:48                 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 12:18                 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 12:18                   ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 13:46                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:46                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:47               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:47                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:50                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 17:01               ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:01                 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:57                 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 17:57                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-29 14:52                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 14:52                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 15:33                     ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-29 15:33                       ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30  9:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30  9:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30 13:02                         ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 13:02                           ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 19:06                           ` Chris Mason
2010-10-30 19:06                             ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31  2:31                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31  2:31                             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31 17:49                             ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-10-31 17:49                               ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-11-02  3:10                           ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02  3:10                             ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02 11:47                 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 11:47                   ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 13:12                   ` Chris Mason
2010-11-02 13:12                     ` Chris Mason
2010-11-04 16:05                     ` Sanjoy Mahajan [this message]
2010-11-04 16:05                       ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-04 23:35                       ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:35                         ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:44                 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:44                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48                     ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  1:43                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05  1:43                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05 12:48                       ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-05 12:48                         ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-06 14:10                         ` dave b
2010-11-06 14:10                           ` dave b
2010-11-06 15:12                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 15:12                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-07  6:06                             ` dave b
2010-11-07  6:06                               ` dave b
2010-11-07 12:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 12:08                             ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 15:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-07 15:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10  1:32                               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  1:32                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  2:01                                 ` dave b
2010-11-10  2:01                                   ` dave b
2010-11-10  8:08                                 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10  8:08                                   ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10  8:24                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10  8:24                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 14:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:22                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:55                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:55                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 19:09                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 19:09                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:33                                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:33                                   ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:57                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 14:57                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 15:00                                     ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 15:00                                       ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 23:36                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:36                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 15:59                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 15:59                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:46                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:46                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 17:10                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 17:10                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 18:55                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:55                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:27                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 18:27                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 23:43                                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 23:43                                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 19:10                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-06 19:10                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-07 17:16                       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-07 17:16                         ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-09 19:47                         ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 19:47                           ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 20:20                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 20:20                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 21:00                       ` Chris Mason
2010-11-09 21:00                         ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31  1:22       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:22         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:51         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31  1:51           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-01  1:09           ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-01  1:09             ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-02  1:20             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-02  1:20               ` Wu Fengguang

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