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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jason.wessel@windriver.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org, mort@sgi.com, akpm@osdl.org,
	security@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:58:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101104135802.GA31416@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101104122906.GH25118@suse.de>


* Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 12:46:48PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Making /proc/kallsyms readable only for root makes it harder for attackers to 
> > > write generic kernel exploits by removing one source of knowledge where things are 
> > > in the kernel.
> > 
> > Cc:-ed Linus - i think he argued in favor of such a patch in the past.
> > 
> > I generally agree with such patches (i have written some myself), but there's a few 
> > questions with this one, which make this limited change ineffective and which make 
> > it harder to implement a fuller patch that makes it truly harder to figure out the 
> > precise kernel build:
> > 
> >  - The real security obstruction effect is very small from this measure alone: the 
> >    overwhelming majority of our users are running distro kernels, so the Symbol.map 
> >    file (and hence 99% of /proc/kallsyms content) is well-known - unless we also 
> >    restrict 'uname -r' from nonprivileged users-ace. Hiding that might make sense - 
> >    but the two should be in one patch really.
> 
> Of course. System.map and others also need to turn to mode 400.

That is not what I meant, at all.

It's not the System.map _on the system_.

It's the SuSE or Fedora kernel rpm package with a System.map in it, which
package the attacker can download from a hundred mirrors on the internet,
based on 'uname -r' output.

You cannot obfuscate the System.map of a distro kernel without obfuscating all 
identification info. (Note that even the pure size of the System.map might tell a 
kernel rpm version from another ...)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-04 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-04 10:09 [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05  0:11   ` [Security] " Eugene Teo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29   ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-11-04 14:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33         ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 21:29             ` [Security] " Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 21:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 22:35                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 23:46                   ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07  8:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:49                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:12                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:22                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:25                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:32                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:51                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 15:27                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-08  6:29                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:51                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:55                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07  8:56                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20101104215157.GA25128@ <20101107090805.GA27983@elte.hu>
2010-11-13 13:06                 ` Gilles Espinasse
2010-11-07 18:02           ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-10  8:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11  2:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11  7:05                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05  2:38     ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  0:20 ` Jesper Juhl
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-16 10:46 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-17  5:07 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-18  7:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20  3:18     ` Kees Cook
2010-11-26  7:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17  5:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:41   ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17  6:19     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-18  7:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-23 17:24     ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-26  7:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:03         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-20 11:32   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-19 19:19 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-19 19:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:58     ` david
2010-11-19 20:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 20:16         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-19 20:55           ` david
2010-11-26  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 16:33       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-29 18:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:05           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 19:21             ` Eric Paris
2010-11-29 19:38               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 21:49             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-29 23:31         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30 11:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20 11:05 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-11-19 21:12 Andy Walls
2010-11-19 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20  2:40   ` Kees Cook
2010-11-20 19:47     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-11-29 22:58       ` Kevin Easton

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