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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: steve@digidescorp.com
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Ungerer <gerg@snapgear.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RESEND] nommu: yield CPU periodically while disposing large VM
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:47:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101115204703.fc774a17.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1289831351.2524.15.camel@iscandar.digidescorp.com>

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:29:11 -0600 "Steven J. Magnani" <steve@digidescorp.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 18:40 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:33:16 -0600 "Steven J. Magnani" <steve@digidescorp.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- a/mm/nommu.c	2010-10-21 07:42:23.000000000 -0500
> > > +++ b/mm/nommu.c	2010-10-21 07:46:50.000000000 -0500
> > > @@ -1656,6 +1656,7 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE2(munmap, unsigned long, a
> > >  void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > >  {
> > >  	struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > +	unsigned long next_yield = jiffies + HZ;
> > >  
> > >  	if (!mm)
> > >  		return;
> > > @@ -1668,6 +1669,11 @@ void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > >  		mm->mmap = vma->vm_next;
> > >  		delete_vma_from_mm(vma);
> > >  		delete_vma(mm, vma);
> > > +		/* Yield periodically to prevent watchdog timeout */
> > > +		if (time_after(jiffies, next_yield)) {
> > > +			cond_resched();
> > > +			next_yield = jiffies + HZ;
> > > +		}
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > >  	kleave("");
> > 
> [snip]
> > cond_resched() is pretty efficient and one second is still
> > a very long time.  I suspect you don't need the ratelimiting at all?
> 
> Probably not, but the issue was that disposal of "large" VMs can starve
> the system. Since these are not the norm (otherwise this would have been
> fixed long ago) I was attempting to limit the impact on more
> "normal"-sized VMs. Responsiveness is not great with a one-second
> ratelimit, and as KOSAKI Motohiro points out this fix won't work on
> systems with short watchdog intervals. I assumed that these were not
> common.
> 
> As efficient as schedule() may be, it still scares me to call it on
> reclaim of every block of memory allocated by a terminating process,
> particularly on the relatively slow processors that inhabit NOMMU land.

This is cond_resched(), not schedule()!  cond_resched() is just a few
instructions, except for the super-rare case where it calls schedule().

> It wasn't obvious to me that it has a quick exit. But since we are
> talking about sharing the CPU with other processes perhaps this is only
> an issue in an OOM scenario, when fast reclaim might be more important.
> 
> I can certainly respin the patch to call cond_resched() unconditionally
> if that's the consensus.

You have a consensus of 1 so far :)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: steve@digidescorp.com
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Ungerer <gerg@snapgear.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RESEND] nommu: yield CPU periodically while disposing large VM
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:47:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101115204703.fc774a17.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1289831351.2524.15.camel@iscandar.digidescorp.com>

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:29:11 -0600 "Steven J. Magnani" <steve@digidescorp.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 18:40 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:33:16 -0600 "Steven J. Magnani" <steve@digidescorp.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- a/mm/nommu.c	2010-10-21 07:42:23.000000000 -0500
> > > +++ b/mm/nommu.c	2010-10-21 07:46:50.000000000 -0500
> > > @@ -1656,6 +1656,7 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE2(munmap, unsigned long, a
> > >  void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > >  {
> > >  	struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > +	unsigned long next_yield = jiffies + HZ;
> > >  
> > >  	if (!mm)
> > >  		return;
> > > @@ -1668,6 +1669,11 @@ void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > >  		mm->mmap = vma->vm_next;
> > >  		delete_vma_from_mm(vma);
> > >  		delete_vma(mm, vma);
> > > +		/* Yield periodically to prevent watchdog timeout */
> > > +		if (time_after(jiffies, next_yield)) {
> > > +			cond_resched();
> > > +			next_yield = jiffies + HZ;
> > > +		}
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > >  	kleave("");
> > 
> [snip]
> > cond_resched() is pretty efficient and one second is still
> > a very long time.  I suspect you don't need the ratelimiting at all?
> 
> Probably not, but the issue was that disposal of "large" VMs can starve
> the system. Since these are not the norm (otherwise this would have been
> fixed long ago) I was attempting to limit the impact on more
> "normal"-sized VMs. Responsiveness is not great with a one-second
> ratelimit, and as KOSAKI Motohiro points out this fix won't work on
> systems with short watchdog intervals. I assumed that these were not
> common.
> 
> As efficient as schedule() may be, it still scares me to call it on
> reclaim of every block of memory allocated by a terminating process,
> particularly on the relatively slow processors that inhabit NOMMU land.

This is cond_resched(), not schedule()!  cond_resched() is just a few
instructions, except for the super-rare case where it calls schedule().

> It wasn't obvious to me that it has a quick exit. But since we are
> talking about sharing the CPU with other processes perhaps this is only
> an issue in an OOM scenario, when fast reclaim might be more important.
> 
> I can certainly respin the patch to call cond_resched() unconditionally
> if that's the consensus.

You have a consensus of 1 so far :)

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-16  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-11 20:33 [PATCH][RESEND] nommu: yield CPU periodically while disposing large VM Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-11 20:33 ` Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-12  2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-12  2:40   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-15 14:29   ` Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-15 14:29     ` Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-16  4:47     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-11-16  4:47       ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-16 13:03       ` Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-16 13:03         ` Steven J. Magnani
2010-11-14  5:07 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-14  5:07   ` KOSAKI Motohiro

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