From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@keldix.com>
To: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
Cc: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@keldix.com>,
"Jon Nelson" <jnelson-linux-raid@jamponi.net>,
"Mathias Burén" <mathias.buren@gmail.com>,
"Roberto Spadim" <roberto@spadim.com.br>,
Denis <denismpa@gmail.com>,
Linux-RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What's the typical RAID10 setup?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:06:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110204090602.GA4017@www2.open-std.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D4BB87A.30800@hardwarefreak.com>
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 02:27:38AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Keld Jørn Simonsen put forth on 2/4/2011 1:06 AM:
>
> > Well RAID1+0 is not the best combination available. I would argue that
> > raid10,f2 is significantly better in a number of areas.
>
> I'd guess Linux software RAID would be lucky to have 1% of RAID deployments
> worldwide--very lucky. The other 99%+ are HBA RAID or SAN/NAS "appliances" most
> often using custom embedded RTOS with the RAID code written in assembler,
> especially in the case of the HBAs. For everything not Linux mdraid, RAID 10
> (aka 1+0) is king of the hill, and has been for 15 years+
Yes, you are right, Linux MD really has an advantage here:-)
> >> Something smells bad here. Does one of the RAID companies own a patent or
> >> trademark on "RAID 10"? I'll look into this. It just doesn't make any sense
> >> for RAID 10 to be omitted from the SNIA DDF but to be referenced in the manner
> >> it is.
> >
> > It looks like they do define all major basic RAID disk layouts. (except
> > raid10,f2 of cause) . RAID1+0 is a derived format, maybe that is out of
> > scope of the DDF standard.
>
> "A secondary virtual disk is a VD configured using hybrid RAID levels like
> RAID10 or RAID50. Its elements are BVDs."
>
> So apparently their Disk Data Format specification doesn't include hybrid RAID
> levels. This makes sense, as the _on disk_ layout of RAID 10 is identical to
> RAID 1.
Yes, raid10 is just a variation of RAID1, actually raid10,n2 is
identical on the disk to RAID1, eg for a 2 drive or 4-drive array.
> We apparently need to be looking for other SNIA documents to find their
> definition of RAID 10. That is what started us down this tunnel isn't it?
> We're so deep now there's no light and I can't see the path behind me anymore. ;)
I dont think SNIA defines RAID 10, which is a specific Linux MD thing.
For RAID1+0, I think it is covered by the DDF standard, as what DDF is
aimed at is defining formats on the disks to portably handle RAID. That
means that you can move a set of disks used in one manufacturer's
configuration to another make's configuration, and it will still work.
And it will also work with RAID1+0, as the underlying RAID1 and RAID0
formats are defined in DDF. So no need to add specific RAID1+0
definitions. Also RAID1 may mean different layouts, like the "far" and
"offset" layouts, and it would mean an explosion of definitions of
RAID1+0 if you should name and standardize all of these variations of
RAID1+0 explicitely.
best regards
keld
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2011-01-31 9:41 What's the typical RAID10 setup? Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:14 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 10:22 ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:36 ` CoolCold
2011-01-31 15:00 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:21 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 15:27 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:28 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:32 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:34 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:37 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:45 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 16:55 ` Denis
2011-01-31 17:31 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 18:35 ` Denis
2011-01-31 19:15 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:28 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 19:35 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:37 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:22 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 20:17 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 20:37 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 21:20 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:24 ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 21:27 ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 21:47 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:51 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:50 ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 22:53 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 23:10 ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 23:14 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:52 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 23:00 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 10:01 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 13:50 ` Jon Nelson
2011-02-01 14:25 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 14:48 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 15:41 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 3:36 ` Drew
2011-02-03 8:18 ` Stan Hoeppner
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2011-02-03 14:35 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:43 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 15:50 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:02 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 16:07 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:16 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 22:05 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 23:12 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 9:25 ` Robin Hill
2011-02-02 16:00 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:06 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:07 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:10 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:13 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 19:44 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 20:28 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 21:31 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 22:13 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 22:26 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 1:57 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 3:05 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-03 3:13 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 3:17 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 23:35 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:02 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:24 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 17:56 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 18:09 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 20:16 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:32 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:58 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:04 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:18 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 0:58 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 12:50 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-03 11:04 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 14:17 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:39 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:41 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 23:43 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 3:49 ` hansbkk
2011-02-04 7:06 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 8:27 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 9:06 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen [this message]
2011-02-04 10:04 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:15 ` hansbkk
2011-02-04 13:33 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:35 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:42 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 21:15 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 22:05 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 23:03 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-06 3:59 ` Drew
2011-02-06 4:27 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:34 ` David Brown
2011-02-04 13:53 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 14:17 ` David Brown
2011-02-04 14:21 ` hansbkk
2011-02-06 4:02 ` Drew
2011-02-06 7:58 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-06 12:03 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-06 14:30 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 8:46 ` hansbkk
2011-01-31 19:37 ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:41 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:46 ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:53 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:14 ` Denis
2011-01-31 22:33 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:36 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:23 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 21:59 ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:08 ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 22:38 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-01 10:05 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 9:20 ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 16:03 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 16:22 ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 20:35 ` [OT] " Phil Turmel
2011-02-04 20:35 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 21:05 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 21:13 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:30 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 20:07 ` Stan Hoeppner
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