From: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:15:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110331001531.GR18334@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110330235930.GA6680@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [110330 16:57]:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 07:31:59PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>
> > Still, because ARM is just a CPU architecture, those SOC vendors will
> > always have something new to differenciate themselves from the other SOC
> > vendors. And that cannot be described in a table alone. The power
> > management hardware from TI will still require separate _executable_
> > code from the Freescale one, or the Samsung one, or the Nvidia one, or
> > the Qualcomm one, or the Marvell one, yada yada. And I really don't
> > want to see that code turned into some vendor provided buggy ACPI
> > bytecode or similar.
>
> To get rid of all the platform related stuff, I think you'd need some
> kind of bytecode to deal with some of the procedural stuff with various
> platforms. Without bytecode, the only other way is to keep the stuff
> as C functions in the kernel and find some way of binding them to
> drivers through DT, which means we're still going to have platform
> specific C files littering the kernel.
The SoC specific code still needs to be different for things like PM,
but that's pretty small compared to the mux/clock/hwmod data on omaps.
Also I think we can make the PM code into loadable modules eventually.
> While I can see DT solving the "declare this data structure" problem,
> I believe that's only part of the issue.
Yup I agree there are other issues too.
> This is exactly why when DT was proposed as a miracle cure-all for ARM,
> I wanted to see DT on a real ARM platform rather than just ARM Ltd's
> simple and similar development boards.
>
> Certainly, though, DT for ARM is progressing.
At least omap mux/clokc/hwmod data could come either from devicetree
or be a loadable kernel module for most entries.
Regards,
Tony
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: tony@atomide.com (Tony Lindgren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:15:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110331001531.GR18334@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110330235930.GA6680@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [110330 16:57]:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 07:31:59PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>
> > Still, because ARM is just a CPU architecture, those SOC vendors will
> > always have something new to differenciate themselves from the other SOC
> > vendors. And that cannot be described in a table alone. The power
> > management hardware from TI will still require separate _executable_
> > code from the Freescale one, or the Samsung one, or the Nvidia one, or
> > the Qualcomm one, or the Marvell one, yada yada. And I really don't
> > want to see that code turned into some vendor provided buggy ACPI
> > bytecode or similar.
>
> To get rid of all the platform related stuff, I think you'd need some
> kind of bytecode to deal with some of the procedural stuff with various
> platforms. Without bytecode, the only other way is to keep the stuff
> as C functions in the kernel and find some way of binding them to
> drivers through DT, which means we're still going to have platform
> specific C files littering the kernel.
The SoC specific code still needs to be different for things like PM,
but that's pretty small compared to the mux/clock/hwmod data on omaps.
Also I think we can make the PM code into loadable modules eventually.
> While I can see DT solving the "declare this data structure" problem,
> I believe that's only part of the issue.
Yup I agree there are other issues too.
> This is exactly why when DT was proposed as a miracle cure-all for ARM,
> I wanted to see DT on a real ARM platform rather than just ARM Ltd's
> simple and similar development boards.
>
> Certainly, though, DT for ARM is progressing.
At least omap mux/clokc/hwmod data could come either from devicetree
or be a loadable kernel module for most entries.
Regards,
Tony
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Thread overview: 341+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-17 18:30 [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window Tony Lindgren
2011-03-17 18:30 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18 2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18 7:06 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 7:06 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 10:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-18 10:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-18 11:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-18 11:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-18 11:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-30 17:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 17:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 21:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 21:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 21:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 23:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 23:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 23:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-30 23:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 0:15 ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2011-03-31 0:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 0:31 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 0:31 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 0:31 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 0:39 ` david
2011-03-31 0:39 ` david at lang.hm
2011-03-31 3:17 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 3:17 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 3:29 ` Dave Airlie
2011-03-31 3:29 ` Dave Airlie
2011-03-31 4:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 4:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 10:50 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:50 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:23 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-03-31 12:23 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-03-31 12:23 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-03-31 12:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-31 12:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-31 13:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 13:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 14:55 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 14:55 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-04-01 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 18:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2011-03-31 18:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2011-03-31 18:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 18:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-03-31 13:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 13:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:22 ` david
2011-03-31 17:22 ` david at lang.hm
2011-03-31 18:08 ` Koen Kooi
2011-03-31 18:08 ` Koen Kooi
2011-03-31 5:05 ` david
2011-03-31 5:05 ` david at lang.hm
2011-03-31 7:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 7:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 8:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 8:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 8:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 8:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 10:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 13:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 13:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 12:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 14:43 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-03-31 14:43 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-03-31 15:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 15:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 15:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 15:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 15:45 ` david
2011-03-31 15:45 ` david at lang.hm
2011-03-31 15:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 15:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 16:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 16:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 18:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 18:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-01 11:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 20:35 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-03-31 20:35 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 11:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 7:32 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 7:32 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 11:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:55 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 11:55 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 12:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 12:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 12:15 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 12:15 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-03-31 16:03 ` david
2011-03-31 16:03 ` david at lang.hm
2011-03-31 16:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 16:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 19:25 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 19:25 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 22:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 22:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 0:53 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01 0:53 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01 4:50 ` David Brown
2011-04-01 4:50 ` David Brown
2011-04-01 7:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-01 7:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-01 13:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 13:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 14:28 ` Detlef Vollmann
2011-04-01 14:28 ` Detlef Vollmann
2011-04-01 14:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 14:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 15:30 ` Detlef Vollmann
2011-04-01 15:30 ` Detlef Vollmann
2011-04-01 15:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 15:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 17:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-01 17:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-01 19:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 19:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 21:00 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-01 21:00 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-01 21:00 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-01 22:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 22:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-02 2:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-02 2:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-03 15:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-03 15:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-03 16:03 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-03 16:03 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 0:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 0:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 0:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 8:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 8:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 11:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-04 11:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-04 11:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 11:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 13:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 13:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:57 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 13:57 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 20:08 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-04 20:08 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05 6:40 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 6:40 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 7:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-05 7:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-05 14:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-05 14:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-05 22:16 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05 22:16 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 6:43 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-06 6:43 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 22:22 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05 22:22 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 6:41 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-06 6:41 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 7:30 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-05 7:30 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-05-26 13:38 ` Pavel Machek
2011-05-26 13:38 ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-02 2:59 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-02 2:59 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-04 5:16 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-04-04 5:16 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-04-04 9:27 ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-04-04 9:27 ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-04-01 21:10 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 21:10 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 21:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 21:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 21:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-01 21:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-03 22:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-03 22:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-04 0:14 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 0:14 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 2:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-04 2:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 15:27 ` Will Deacon
2011-04-01 15:27 ` Will Deacon
2011-04-01 15:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 15:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-01 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-03 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-03 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-03 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-05 23:19 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05 23:19 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 8:41 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-06 8:41 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-07 1:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-07 1:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 20:19 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 20:19 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-02 4:38 ` Richard Cochran
2011-04-02 4:38 ` Richard Cochran
2011-04-02 3:27 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-02 3:27 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-06 6:11 ` Barry Song
2011-04-06 6:11 ` Barry Song
2011-04-06 6:11 ` Barry Song
2011-04-06 7:31 ` Bryan Wu
2011-04-06 7:31 ` Bryan Wu
2011-03-31 21:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 21:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
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2011-03-31 18:00 ` Alexander Holler
2011-03-31 18:00 ` Alexander Holler
2011-03-31 18:00 ` Alexander Holler
2011-03-31 5:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-03-31 5:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-03-31 7:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 7:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 22:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 21:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 21:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 22:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 22:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 22:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
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2011-03-30 21:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 21:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 22:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 22:39 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:39 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 0:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2011-03-31 0:55 ` Linus Torvalds
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2011-03-31 1:15 ` Bill Gatliff
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2011-03-31 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
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2011-03-31 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 2:20 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 2:20 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 3:24 ` Linus Torvalds
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2011-03-31 3:24 ` Linus Torvalds
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2011-03-31 6:56 ` David Brown
2011-03-31 6:56 ` David Brown
2011-03-31 11:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 11:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 13:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 13:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 4:09 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2011-03-31 10:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 10:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
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