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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
	mtosatti@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, joro@8bytes.org,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	gorcunov@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:46:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110406094612.GA19943@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110406093635.GE25626@redhat.com>


* Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:33:33AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > So no, your kind of cynical, defeatist sentiment about code quality is by 
> > no means true in my experience. Projects become ugly gooballs once 
> > maintainers stop caring enough.
>
> In case of Qemu it was other way around. Maintainers started caring too late.

Nah, i do not think it's ever too late to care.

Example: arch/i386 - arch/x86_64/ was very messy for many, many years and we 
turned it around and can be proud of arch/x86/ today - but i guess i'm somewhat 
biased there ;-)

In my experience it's entirely possible to turn a messy gooball into something 
you can be proud of - it's all reversible. Start small, with the core bits you 
care about most - then extend those concepts to other areas of the code base, 
gradually. There might be subsystems that will never turn around before 
becoming obsolete - that's not a big problem.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-06  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-31 17:30 [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool Pekka Enberg
     [not found] ` <1B1AE097-4524-4026-85EC-F9A0E274FFF2@suse.de>
2011-04-01  7:07   ` Carsten Otte
2011-04-01  7:37     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-01 14:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-04-02 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03  6:21   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03  8:24     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  8:53       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03  9:06         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-03  9:37         ` CaT
2011-04-04 10:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03  8:51   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03  9:17     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  9:59   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:11     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:17       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:22         ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:32           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 13:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03 13:19         ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06  9:33           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-06  9:36             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06  9:46               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-04-06  9:49                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06  9:51                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06 10:14             ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-06 10:55               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-08  2:04                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08  2:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08  5:14               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  6:19                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08  6:47                 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08  6:51                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  7:10                     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08  7:39                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08  8:27                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  9:11                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08  9:32                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 10:42                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08 12:27                           ` Alexander Graf
2011-04-08 12:33                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 14:39                         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-08 14:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 19:20                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-08 22:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-10  8:05                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-09  7:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-12  0:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-09 18:23                   ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-10  2:54                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 15:59               ` Scott Wood
2011-04-08 19:41                 ` gene heskett
2011-04-08 22:58                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-06  8:59         ` Markus Armbruster
2011-04-06  9:29           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-03  9:01 ` Alon Levy
2011-04-03 10:01   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:15     ` Alon Levy

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