From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"aarcange@redhat.com" <aarcange@redhat.com>,
"mtosatti@redhat.com" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"joro@8bytes.org" <joro@8bytes.org>,
"asias.hejun@gmail.com" <asias.hejun@gmail.com>,
"gorcunov@gmail.com" <gorcunov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:11:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D9ED146.7040004@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1302251236.27918.31.camel@jaguar>
On 2011-04-08 10:27, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:39 +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> I agree that it's easy to change 2kSomething LOC for this. But if you
>> now wait too long designing in essential features like SMP, a scalable
>> execution model, and - very important - portability (*), it can get
>> fairly painful to fix such architectural deficits later on. How long did
>> it take for Linux to overcome the BKL? QEMU is in the same unfortunate
>> position.
>
> Yup, and we're taking your feedback seriously (and are thankful for
> it!). We're hoping to look at SMP in the near future - help is
> appreciated!
Honestly, I do not yet see a major advantage for us to invest here
instead of / in addition to continuing to improve QEMU. We've spend
quite some effort on the latter with IMO noteworthy results. Porting
over qemu-kvm to upstream was and still is among those efforts. We (*)
are "almost done". :)
Just one example: Despite QEMU's current deficits, I just have add a
handful of (ad-hoc) patches to turn it into a (soft) real-time
hypervisor, and that also for certain non-Linux guests. Your approach is
yet man years of development and stabilization effort away from getting
close to such a level.
Don't want to discourage you or other contributors. I wish you that this
approach can gather the critical mass and momentum to make it a real
alternative, at least for a subset of use cases. We will surely keep an
eye on it and re-assess its pros&cons as it progresses.
Jan
(*) the QEMU & KVM community
--
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-31 17:30 [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool Pekka Enberg
[not found] ` <1B1AE097-4524-4026-85EC-F9A0E274FFF2@suse.de>
2011-04-01 7:07 ` Carsten Otte
2011-04-01 7:37 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-01 14:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-04-02 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03 6:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03 8:24 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 8:53 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 9:06 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-03 9:37 ` CaT
2011-04-04 10:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03 8:51 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 9:17 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 9:59 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:11 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:17 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:22 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 13:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03 13:19 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06 9:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-06 9:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06 9:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-06 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06 9:51 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06 10:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-06 10:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-08 2:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 2:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 5:14 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08 6:19 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 6:47 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08 6:51 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08 7:10 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08 7:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08 8:27 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08 9:11 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-04-08 9:32 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 10:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08 12:27 ` Alexander Graf
2011-04-08 12:33 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 14:39 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-08 14:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 19:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-08 22:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-10 8:05 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-09 7:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-12 0:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-09 18:23 ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-10 2:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 15:59 ` Scott Wood
2011-04-08 19:41 ` gene heskett
2011-04-08 22:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-06 8:59 ` Markus Armbruster
2011-04-06 9:29 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-03 9:01 ` Alon Levy
2011-04-03 10:01 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:15 ` Alon Levy
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