[Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Eric Eric]

Hello, in the course of evaluating migration from Integrity to
Xenomai, a few questions have come up that I am having a hard time
finding info on:

- Are there any examples of commercial projects that use Xenomai?  I'm
specifically looking for propaganda like this RTEMS flier:
http://www.rtems.com/sites/default/files/RTEMS-Users-V2.pdf

- Are there any companies offering commercial support services for
Xenomai, such as FSMLabs does for RTLinux or OAR does for RTEMS?

- Can Xenomai kernel-level tasks be debugged via JTAG?  Although we
would do most of our work in user-tasks, there is a non-trivial part
that is highly latency sensitive and will need to go in the kernel
(bearing in mind GPL compliance of course).  There is concern that
this could be problematic to debug.  We sometimes use a Blackhawk JTAG
with TI CodeComposer to debug Linux drivers.

I think it was asked before, but we are using ARM.

Thanks.

- Eric

Re: [Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Gilles Chanteperdrix]

Eric Eric wrote:
> Hello, in the course of evaluating migration from Integrity to
> Xenomai, a few questions have come up that I am having a hard time
> finding info on:
> 
> - Are there any examples of commercial projects that use Xenomai?  I'm
> specifically looking for propaganda like this RTEMS flier:
> http://www.rtems.com/sites/default/files/RTEMS-Users-V2.pdf

Have a look here:
http://www.denx.de/en/view/News/XenomaiUserMeeting2009#Abstracts_and_Presentations

> 
> - Are there any companies offering commercial support services for
> Xenomai, such as FSMLabs does for RTLinux or OAR does for RTEMS?

There are a few, I will let others answer this question.

> 
> - Can Xenomai kernel-level tasks be debugged via JTAG?  Although we
> would do most of our work in user-tasks, there is a non-trivial part
> that is highly latency sensitive and will need to go in the kernel
> (bearing in mind GPL compliance of course).  There is concern that
> this could be problematic to debug.  We sometimes use a Blackhawk JTAG
> with TI CodeComposer to debug Linux drivers.
> 
> I think it was asked before, but we are using ARM.

There should be no problem for debug with JTAG, the JTAG debugger
accesses the processor at a level far below any sofware layer. Except
for thread-aware debuggers, which will not be able to debug Xenomai
threads, only Linux threads. I am not sure what CCS is able to do.

-- 
                                                                Gilles.

Re: [Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Guenter Ebermann]

Eric Eric wrote:
> - Are there any examples of commercial projects that use Xenomai?  I'm
> specifically looking for propaganda like this RTEMS flier:
> http://www.rtems.com/sites/default/files/RTEMS-Users-V2.pdf

A big HIL supplier in germany uses xenomai in his products shipped worldwide:
http://www.etas.com/de/products/labcar_rtpc.php
HILs are used in the automotive area to simulate/stub/test the communication
stack of cars. Just make a google search with "xenomai labcar" for more info.

I also heard some rumours that some traffic surveillance boxes in austria
are based on linux/xenomai.

EB is also curious about using xenomai for automotive measurement and testing
devices: 
http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-2100/
http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-5100/
http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-61x0/

I am sure there are a lot more using linux/xenomai. This is only my limited
view of the embedded linux scene in austria and germany.
Surely one can gather more information by visiting embedded exhibitions.

> - Are there any companies offering commercial support services for
> Xenomai, such as FSMLabs does for RTLinux or OAR does for RTEMS?

In germany there are denx (www.denx.de) and pengutronix (http://www.pengutronix.de/).
Perhaps there are even more but these are the ones I know.

Re: [Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Gilles Chanteperdrix]

Guenter Ebermann wrote:
> Eric Eric wrote:
>> - Are there any examples of commercial projects that use Xenomai?  I'm
>> specifically looking for propaganda like this RTEMS flier:
>> http://www.rtems.com/sites/default/files/RTEMS-Users-V2.pdf
> 
> A big HIL supplier in germany uses xenomai in his products shipped worldwide:
> http://www.etas.com/de/products/labcar_rtpc.php
> HILs are used in the automotive area to simulate/stub/test the communication
> stack of cars. Just make a google search with "xenomai labcar" for more info.
> 
> I also heard some rumours that some traffic surveillance boxes in austria
> are based on linux/xenomai.
> 
> EB is also curious about using xenomai for automotive measurement and testing
> devices: 
> http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-2100/
> http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-5100/
> http://www.eb-tresos-blog.com/solutions/tresos/eb-61x0/
> 
> I am sure there are a lot more using linux/xenomai. This is only my limited
> view of the embedded linux scene in austria and germany.
> Surely one can gather more information by visiting embedded exhibitions.
> 
>> - Are there any companies offering commercial support services for
>> Xenomai, such as FSMLabs does for RTLinux or OAR does for RTEMS?
> 
> In germany there are denx (www.denx.de) and pengutronix (http://www.pengutronix.de/).
> Perhaps there are even more but these are the ones I know.

The difference between the two may be that Denx engineering is an
important contributor to the Xenomai project:
http://www.denx.de/en/Software/SoftwareXenomaiProjects

-- 
					    Gilles.

Re: [Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Richard Cochran]

On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 09:02:33AM +0200, Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
> Guenter Ebermann wrote:
> > In germany there are denx (www.denx.de) and pengutronix (http://www.pengutronix.de/).
> > Perhaps there are even more but these are the ones I know.
> 
> The difference between the two may be that Denx engineering is an
> important contributor to the Xenomai project:
> http://www.denx.de/en/Software/SoftwareXenomaiProjects

Does pengutronix do xenomai at all? My impression was that they do
plain old embedded linux.

What about Free Electrons? Gilles, aren't you a part of that?

Thanks,

Richard

Re: [Xenomai-help] commercial users of xenomai, commercial support, JTAG

[Gilles Chanteperdrix]

Richard Cochran wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 09:02:33AM +0200, Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
>> Guenter Ebermann wrote:
>>> In germany there are denx (www.denx.de) and pengutronix (http://www.pengutronix.de/).
>>> Perhaps there are even more but these are the ones I know.
>> The difference between the two may be that Denx engineering is an
>> important contributor to the Xenomai project:
>> http://www.denx.de/en/Software/SoftwareXenomaiProjects
> 
> Does pengutronix do xenomai at all? My impression was that they do
> plain old embedded linux.

I do not seem to find anything specific on their website. They advertise
the fact that they work with preempt_rt.

> 
> What about Free Electrons? Gilles, aren't you a part of that?

I am no longer working for Free Electrons. But yes, I guess they would
do some Xenomai based development if you asked, though there is no
specific advertisement on their website either.

-- 
					    Gilles.