From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/5] mm: writeback: throttle __GFP_WRITE on per-zone dirty limits
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:06:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110803190623.GA5873@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEwNFnARzetfqZqjh_9-d+FOHtrCEwaSxgqBy_D+apxsNqzqkg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:40:59AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Andi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >> The global dirty limits are put in proportion to the respective zone's
> >> amount of dirtyable memory and the allocation denied when the limit of
> >> that zone is reached.
> >>
> >> Before the allocation fails, the allocator slowpath has a stage before
> >> compaction and reclaim, where the flusher threads are kicked and the
> >> allocator ultimately has to wait for writeback if still none of the
> >> zones has become eligible for allocation again in the meantime.
> >>
> >
> > I don't really like this. It seems wrong to make memory
> > placement depend on dirtyness.
> >
> > Just try to explain it to some system administrator or tuner: her
> > head will explode and for good reasons.
> >
> > On the other hand I like doing round-robin in filemap by default
> > (I think that is what your patch essentially does)
> > We should have made this default long ago. It avoids most of the
> > "IO fills up local node" problems people run into all the time.
> >
> > So I would rather just change the default in filemap allocation.
It's not only a problem that exists solely on a node-level but also on
a zone-level. Round-robin over the nodes does not fix the problem
that a small zone can fill up with dirty pages before the global dirty
limit kicks in.
> Just out of curiosity.
> Why do you want to consider only filemap allocation, not IO(ie,
> filemap + sys_[read/write]) allocation?
I guess Andi was referring to the page cache (mapping file offsets to
pages), rather than mmaps (mapping virtual addresses to pages).
mm/filemap.c::__page_cache_alloc()
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From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/5] mm: writeback: throttle __GFP_WRITE on per-zone dirty limits
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:06:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110803190623.GA5873@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEwNFnARzetfqZqjh_9-d+FOHtrCEwaSxgqBy_D+apxsNqzqkg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:40:59AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Andi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >> The global dirty limits are put in proportion to the respective zone's
> >> amount of dirtyable memory and the allocation denied when the limit of
> >> that zone is reached.
> >>
> >> Before the allocation fails, the allocator slowpath has a stage before
> >> compaction and reclaim, where the flusher threads are kicked and the
> >> allocator ultimately has to wait for writeback if still none of the
> >> zones has become eligible for allocation again in the meantime.
> >>
> >
> > I don't really like this. It seems wrong to make memory
> > placement depend on dirtyness.
> >
> > Just try to explain it to some system administrator or tuner: her
> > head will explode and for good reasons.
> >
> > On the other hand I like doing round-robin in filemap by default
> > (I think that is what your patch essentially does)
> > We should have made this default long ago. It avoids most of the
> > "IO fills up local node" problems people run into all the time.
> >
> > So I would rather just change the default in filemap allocation.
It's not only a problem that exists solely on a node-level but also on
a zone-level. Round-robin over the nodes does not fix the problem
that a small zone can fill up with dirty pages before the global dirty
limit kicks in.
> Just out of curiosity.
> Why do you want to consider only filemap allocation, not IO(ie,
> filemap + sys_[read/write]) allocation?
I guess Andi was referring to the page cache (mapping file offsets to
pages), rather than mmaps (mapping virtual addresses to pages).
mm/filemap.c::__page_cache_alloc()
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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-25 20:19 [patch 0/5] mm: per-zone dirty limiting Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` [patch 1/5] mm: page_alloc: increase __GFP_BITS_SHIFT to include __GFP_OTHER_NODE Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:52 ` Andi Kleen
2011-07-25 20:52 ` Andi Kleen
2011-07-25 22:56 ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-25 22:56 ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-26 13:51 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 13:51 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-27 12:50 ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-27 12:50 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-05 14:16 ` Rik van Riel
2011-08-05 14:16 ` Rik van Riel
2011-07-25 20:19 ` [patch 2/5] mm: writeback: make determine_dirtyable_memory static again Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-26 13:53 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 13:53 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-27 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-27 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-05 14:38 ` Rik van Riel
2011-08-05 14:38 ` Rik van Riel
2011-07-25 20:19 ` [patch 3/5] mm: writeback: remove seriously stale comment on dirty limits Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-27 13:38 ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-27 13:38 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-05 14:45 ` Rik van Riel
2011-08-05 14:45 ` Rik van Riel
2011-07-25 20:19 ` [patch 4/5] mm: writeback: throttle __GFP_WRITE on per-zone " Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:37 ` Andi Kleen
2011-07-25 20:37 ` Andi Kleen
2011-07-25 23:40 ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-25 23:40 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-03 19:06 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2011-08-03 19:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-26 14:42 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 14:42 ` Mel Gorman
2011-08-03 20:21 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-03 20:21 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-27 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-27 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-03 20:25 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-03 20:25 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-04 7:27 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-04 7:27 ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-25 20:19 ` [patch 5/5] mm: filemap: horrid hack to pass __GFP_WRITE for most page cache writers Johannes Weiner
2011-07-25 20:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-26 0:16 ` [patch 0/5] mm: per-zone dirty limiting Minchan Kim
2011-07-26 0:16 ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-26 15:47 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 15:47 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 18:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-26 18:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-07-26 21:54 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-26 21:54 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-29 11:05 ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-29 11:05 ` Mel Gorman
2011-08-02 12:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-02 12:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-03 13:18 ` Mel Gorman
2011-08-03 13:18 ` Mel Gorman
2011-09-20 12:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-20 12:19 ` Johannes Weiner
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