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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>
Cc: target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: FireWire/SBP2 Target mode
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:57:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110817205738.57aa5dd9@stein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E4BD560.4010806@bootc.net>

On Aug 17 Chris Boot wrote:
> Now that we have a nice SCSI target framework in the kernel, and drivers 
> either in-tree or being worked on for iSCSI, FC, FCoE, SAS and iSER, I 
> was wondering about the possibility of adding FireWire to that list. 
> Apple Macs have had a FireWire Target Disk mode for a long time, and 

Side note:  This target mode is a feature of their OpenFirmware and EFI
firmwares, not of the Mac OS and the OS X.  Though both firmware- and
operating-system-implemented SBP-2 targets certainly have their use cases.
Aside from the SBP-2 target in Macs and from Oracle Endpoint, I only know
of SBP-2 targets that are built upon dedicated bus bridge silicon.

> there is even a program called Endpoint[1] that apparently does this on 
> Linux though it looks completely untouched since 2003 and no longer 
> works as it depends on the old FireWire stack.

It can be made to work again if it and libraw1394 are slightly extended to
use a different API for Configuration ROM changes.  Or Endpoint could be
ported from libraw1394 to <linux/firewire-cdev.h>.  But then it would of
course not benefit from the generic SCSI target infrastructure, e.g. WRT
administration, backing storage choices, or command set support.

> I would very much like to see something like this added to the kernel, 
> and would very much like to contribute to writing this feature. However 
> my kernel development knowledge is very limited indeed so this would 
> require a lot hand-holding and mentoring.
> 
> What's the interest in such a feature?

People keep asking for it; very infrequently though.

> Would anyone be able to give some (a lot?) of their time to help write
> this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> [1] http://oss.oracle.com/projects/endpoint/

I for one can answer questions about firewire-core's driver API but do not
have much spare time for more, for the time being.

BTW, a kernelspace SBP-2 target drivers would use several of the FireWire
features that the firewire-net driver uses too.  So the sources of that
driver may be of help where the firewire-core kerneldoc comments are
missing or are not providing the bigger picture.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-==-== =--- =---=
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-17 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-17 14:51 FireWire/SBP2 Target mode Chris Boot
2011-08-17 14:51 ` Chris Boot
2011-08-17 18:57 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2011-08-18 16:19 ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-01 19:50   ` Andy Grover
2012-02-01 21:41     ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-01 21:41       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-02  9:22       ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-02  9:22         ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-02 10:09         ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-02 10:09           ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 13:13           ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 14:43             ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 14:51               ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 20:26                 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-06 22:28                   ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 23:00                     ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-06 23:09                       ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07  7:38                         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07 10:06                           ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-07 19:17                           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-07 19:53                             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:43 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 01/13] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 02/13] firewire: Add EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(fw_card_release) Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 03/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-13 12:50     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 04/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 05/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 06/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-13 13:06     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]       ` <337FFBD7-6B4A-41CA-BB57-6038C935B5BF@bootc.net>
2012-02-13 19:53         ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-13 22:41         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 07/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_proto.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 08/13] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 09/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 10/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 11/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 12/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_util.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 13/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-02-12 14:12   ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Stefan Richter
2012-02-12 15:13     ` Chris Boot
2012-02-12 16:16       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47   ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:09       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 19:10         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 22:01           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:12             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:10       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:18         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:15       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:55         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:21       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:57         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 13:48           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:48       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 10:28         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 14:12           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:00       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:21         ` Chris Boot
2012-03-03 17:37           ` Stefan Richter
2012-03-15 17:48             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:27       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:25         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-18 14:59           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-18 15:05             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20     ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:17         ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:49         ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-14 11:33           ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-12 21:02       ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Andy Grover
2012-04-13  3:03       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-13 13:16         ` Chris Boot
2012-04-14  1:23           ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14  9:12             ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Chris Boot
2012-04-14  9:12               ` [PATCH 1/2] sbp-target: minor cleanups after merging " Chris Boot
2012-04-14  9:12               ` [PATCH 2/2] sbp-target: update TODO file Chris Boot
2012-04-14 21:44               ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14 23:11                 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-15  1:22                   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-17 10:48             ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-18  7:17               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger

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