From: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>
To: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
Cc: linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
Andy Grover <agrover@redhat.com>,
target-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FireWire/SBP2 Target mode
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:09:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F2A60DC.9030007@ladisch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F2A55B9.4040005@panasas.com>
Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> [...] So what do the other FireWire protocols use, like networking,
> DV video, audio?
Their own standard or non-standard mechanism.
> they have yet another encapsulating transport other than SBP-2?
These other devices require isochronous or broadcast transfers, which
SBP-2/3 does not handle well or at all. It might be possible to use
SBP-3 for control commands (which is exactly what SBP-3's AV/C support
is), but using it would not bring any worthwhile benefits over existing
transports, and would just introduce incompatibilities with all previous
soft- and hardware.
Regards,
Clemens
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From: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>
To: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
Cc: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
Andy Grover <agrover@redhat.com>, Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: FireWire/SBP2 Target mode
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:09:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F2A60DC.9030007@ladisch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F2A55B9.4040005@panasas.com>
Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> [...] So what do the other FireWire protocols use, like networking,
> DV video, audio?
Their own standard or non-standard mechanism.
> they have yet another encapsulating transport other than SBP-2?
These other devices require isochronous or broadcast transfers, which
SBP-2/3 does not handle well or at all. It might be possible to use
SBP-3 for control commands (which is exactly what SBP-3's AV/C support
is), but using it would not bring any worthwhile benefits over existing
transports, and would just introduce incompatibilities with all previous
soft- and hardware.
Regards,
Clemens
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-02 10:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-17 14:51 FireWire/SBP2 Target mode Chris Boot
2011-08-17 14:51 ` Chris Boot
2011-08-17 18:57 ` Stefan Richter
2011-08-18 16:19 ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-01 19:50 ` Andy Grover
2012-02-01 21:41 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-01 21:41 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-02 9:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-02 9:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-02 10:09 ` Clemens Ladisch [this message]
2012-02-02 10:09 ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 13:13 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 14:43 ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 14:51 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 20:26 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-06 22:28 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 23:00 ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-06 23:09 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07 7:38 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07 10:06 ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-07 19:17 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-07 19:53 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:43 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 01/13] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 02/13] firewire: Add EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(fw_card_release) Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 03/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-13 12:50 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 04/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 05/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 06/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-13 13:06 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
[not found] ` <337FFBD7-6B4A-41CA-BB57-6038C935B5BF@bootc.net>
2012-02-13 19:53 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-13 22:41 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 07/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_proto.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 08/13] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 09/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 10/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 11/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 12/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_util.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44 ` [PATCH 13/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-02-12 14:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Stefan Richter
2012-02-12 15:13 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-12 16:16 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:09 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 19:10 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 22:01 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 9:12 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:10 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 9:18 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:15 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 9:55 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:21 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 9:57 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 13:48 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:48 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 10:28 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 14:12 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:00 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:21 ` Chris Boot
2012-03-03 17:37 ` Stefan Richter
2012-03-15 17:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:27 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:25 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-18 14:59 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-18 15:05 ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:17 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:49 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-14 11:33 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-12 21:02 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Andy Grover
2012-04-13 3:03 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-13 13:16 ` Chris Boot
2012-04-14 1:23 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14 9:12 ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Chris Boot
2012-04-14 9:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] sbp-target: minor cleanups after merging " Chris Boot
2012-04-14 9:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] sbp-target: update TODO file Chris Boot
2012-04-14 21:44 ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14 23:11 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-15 1:22 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-17 10:48 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-18 7:17 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
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