From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@parallels.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] vmscan: promote shared file mapped pages
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:09:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110818090906.GA2045@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3FD403.6000400@parallels.com>
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 04:18:11PM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >Hi Konstantin,
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov
> ><khlebnikov@openvz.org> wrote:
> >>Commit v2.6.33-5448-g6457474 (vmscan: detect mapped file pages used only once)
> >>greatly decreases lifetime of single-used mapped file pages.
> >>Unfortunately it also decreases life time of all shared mapped file pages.
> >>Because after commit v2.6.28-6130-gbf3f3bc (mm: don't mark_page_accessed in fault path)
> >>page-fault handler does not mark page active or even referenced.
> >>
> >>Thus page_check_references() activates file page only if it was used twice while
> >>it stays in inactive list, meanwhile it activates anon pages after first access.
> >>Inactive list can be small enough, this way reclaimer can accidentally
> >>throw away any widely used page if it wasn't used twice in short period.
> >>
> >>After this patch page_check_references() also activate file mapped page at first
> >>inactive list scan if this page is already used multiple times via several ptes.
> >>
> >>Signed-off-by: Konstantin Khlebnikov<khlebnikov@openvz.org>
> >
> >Both patches seem reasonable but the changelogs don't really explain
> >why you're doing the changes. How did you find out about the problem?
> >Is there some workload that's affected? How did you test your changes?
> >
>
> I found this while trying to fix degragation in rhel6 (~2.6.32) from rhel5 (~2.6.18).
> There a complete mess with >100 web/mail/spam/ftp containers,
> they share all their files but there a lot of anonymous pages:
> ~500mb shared file mapped memory and 15-20Gb non-shared anonymous memory.
How much unmapped cache do you have around in this scenario?
> In this situation major-pagefaults are very costly, because all containers share the same page.
> In my load kernel created a disproportionate pressure on the file memory, compared with the anonymous,
> they equaled only if I raise swappiness up to 150 =)
>
> These patches actually wasn't helped a lot in my problem,
> but I saw noticable (10-20 times) reduce in count and average time of major-pagefault in file-mapped areas.
If disabling the used-once detection for shared executable pages does
not help, then the real reason for the regression you observe seems to
be a different one.
Reduced major faults in file mapped areas without other context don't
have to be a good sign per se. Which memory was reclaimed instead?
Did swapping increase?
It would be good to find a fix that actually helps your workload.
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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@parallels.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] vmscan: promote shared file mapped pages
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:09:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110818090906.GA2045@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3FD403.6000400@parallels.com>
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 04:18:11PM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >Hi Konstantin,
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov
> ><khlebnikov@openvz.org> wrote:
> >>Commit v2.6.33-5448-g6457474 (vmscan: detect mapped file pages used only once)
> >>greatly decreases lifetime of single-used mapped file pages.
> >>Unfortunately it also decreases life time of all shared mapped file pages.
> >>Because after commit v2.6.28-6130-gbf3f3bc (mm: don't mark_page_accessed in fault path)
> >>page-fault handler does not mark page active or even referenced.
> >>
> >>Thus page_check_references() activates file page only if it was used twice while
> >>it stays in inactive list, meanwhile it activates anon pages after first access.
> >>Inactive list can be small enough, this way reclaimer can accidentally
> >>throw away any widely used page if it wasn't used twice in short period.
> >>
> >>After this patch page_check_references() also activate file mapped page at first
> >>inactive list scan if this page is already used multiple times via several ptes.
> >>
> >>Signed-off-by: Konstantin Khlebnikov<khlebnikov@openvz.org>
> >
> >Both patches seem reasonable but the changelogs don't really explain
> >why you're doing the changes. How did you find out about the problem?
> >Is there some workload that's affected? How did you test your changes?
> >
>
> I found this while trying to fix degragation in rhel6 (~2.6.32) from rhel5 (~2.6.18).
> There a complete mess with >100 web/mail/spam/ftp containers,
> they share all their files but there a lot of anonymous pages:
> ~500mb shared file mapped memory and 15-20Gb non-shared anonymous memory.
How much unmapped cache do you have around in this scenario?
> In this situation major-pagefaults are very costly, because all containers share the same page.
> In my load kernel created a disproportionate pressure on the file memory, compared with the anonymous,
> they equaled only if I raise swappiness up to 150 =)
>
> These patches actually wasn't helped a lot in my problem,
> but I saw noticable (10-20 times) reduce in count and average time of major-pagefault in file-mapped areas.
If disabling the used-once detection for shared executable pages does
not help, then the real reason for the regression you observe seems to
be a different one.
Reduced major faults in file mapped areas without other context don't
have to be a good sign per se. Which memory was reclaimed instead?
Did swapping increase?
It would be good to find a fix that actually helps your workload.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-18 9:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-08 11:06 [PATCH 1/2] vmscan: promote shared file mapped pages Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 11:06 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 11:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] vmscan: activate executable pages after first usage Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 11:07 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 23:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-08 23:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-09 0:02 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-09 0:02 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-09 0:04 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-09 0:04 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-09 0:26 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-09 0:26 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-09 1:23 ` Shaohua Li
2011-08-09 1:23 ` Shaohua Li
2011-08-08 11:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] vmscan: promote shared file mapped pages Pekka Enberg
2011-08-08 11:37 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-08-08 12:18 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 12:18 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 12:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-08-08 12:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-08-08 12:51 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-08 12:51 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-18 9:09 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2011-08-18 9:09 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:31 ` [rfc 1/3] mm: vmscan: never swap under low memory pressure Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:31 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 17:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-02 17:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-03 15:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-03 15:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-08 0:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-08 0:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-07 2:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-07 2:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-10 15:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 15:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:32 ` [rfc 2/3] mm: vmscan: treat inactive cycling as neutral Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 18:04 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-02 18:04 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-11-03 12:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-03 12:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-07 2:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-07 2:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-10 16:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 16:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-11 0:05 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-11 0:05 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-02 16:32 ` [rfc 3/3] mm: vmscan: revert file list boost on lru addition Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-07 2:45 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-07 2:45 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-10 16:12 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-10 16:12 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] vmscan: promote shared file mapped pages Johannes Weiner
2011-11-02 16:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-08 23:36 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-08 23:36 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-08 23:51 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-08 23:51 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-10-31 20:12 ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-31 20:12 ` Andrew Morton
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