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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mandeep Singh Baines
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	Containers
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	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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	Paul Menage <paul-inf54ven1CmVyaH7bEyXVA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
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Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:23:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111221182344.GH17668@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111221181101.GA3092-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 07:11:01PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 12/21, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 12/21, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > - By the time we call cgroup_post_fork(), it is ready to be woken up
> > > > and usable by the scheduler.
> > >
> > > No, the new child can't run until do_fork()->wake_up_new_task().
> >
> > Out of curiosity, why is it not possible for a task to kill and wake up the child
> > before that happens?
> 
> Because it is not possible to wake it up.
> 
> Please note that copy_process() creates the "deactivated" child, iow
> it is not on rq.
> 
> But, at the same time its ->state == TASK_RUNNING. This "fools"
> try_to_wake_up() or anything else which in theory could place it
> on the runqueue.

Aaah I see.

> 
> Except, of course, wake_up_new_task() does activate_task(). And
> note that it does this unconditionally, exactly because we know that
> this task can't be woken.
>

ok, thanks for the explanation!

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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Paul Menage <paul@paulmenage.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:23:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111221182344.GH17668@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111221181101.GA3092@redhat.com>

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 07:11:01PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 12/21, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 12/21, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > - By the time we call cgroup_post_fork(), it is ready to be woken up
> > > > and usable by the scheduler.
> > >
> > > No, the new child can't run until do_fork()->wake_up_new_task().
> >
> > Out of curiosity, why is it not possible for a task to kill and wake up the child
> > before that happens?
> 
> Because it is not possible to wake it up.
> 
> Please note that copy_process() creates the "deactivated" child, iow
> it is not on rq.
> 
> But, at the same time its ->state == TASK_RUNNING. This "fools"
> try_to_wake_up() or anything else which in theory could place it
> on the runqueue.

Aaah I see.

> 
> Except, of course, wake_up_new_task() does activate_task(). And
> note that it does this unconditionally, exactly because we know that
> this task can't be woken.
>

ok, thanks for the explanation!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-12-21 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-21  3:43 Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21  3:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 13:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]   ` <20111221130848.GA19679-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:56       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:01       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:01         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]         ` <20111221190102.GE13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 19:08           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:08             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:24             ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:24               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]               ` <20111221192413.GF13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 20:04                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 20:04                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-22 15:30                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-22 15:30                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-22 15:30                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20111222153004.GA30522-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-04 19:36                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                         ` <20120104193614.GF9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 15:23                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-06 15:23                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20120106152356.GA23995-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 18:25                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                 ` <20120106182535.GJ9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-11 16:07                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-11 16:07                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                     ` <20120111160730.GA24556-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12  0:31                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12  0:31                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                         ` <20120112003102.GB9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:07                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:07                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                             ` <20120112170728.GA25717-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:57                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12 17:57                                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                 ` <20120112175725.GD9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 15:20                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-13 15:20                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20120113152010.GA19215-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 18:27                                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-13 18:27                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                         ` <20120113182750.GD18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-14 17:36                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-14 17:36                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                             ` <20120114173648.GA32543-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-18 23:17                                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-18 23:17                                                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-19 15:45                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20120119154522.GA14058-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20120119181803.GU18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-20 15:06                                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-20 15:06                                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20120320193414.GA21277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-21 18:59                                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-21 18:59                                                                           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20120321185955.GK27051-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20120118231742.GS18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 15:45                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-18 23:17                                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12 17:57                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 20:04                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:01       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 17:59     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:59       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:11       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 18:11         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20111221181101.GA3092-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2011-12-21 18:23             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28       ` Frederic Weisbecker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-12-21  3:43 Frederic Weisbecker

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