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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Menage <paul-inf54ven1CmVyaH7bEyXVA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:20:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120113152010.GA19215@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120112175725.GD9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 01/12, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov (oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> >
> > Still can't understand... Lets look at this trivial example again.
> >
> > We start from the main thread M, it is ->group_leader. There is
> > another thread T in this thread group. We are doing
> >
> > 	OLD = M;
> >
> > 	t = M;
> > 	do {
> > 		do_smth(t);
> > 	}
> > 	while (t->group_leader == OLD && ((t = next_thread(t)) != M);
> >
> > The first iteration does do_smth(M).
> >
> > T calls de_thread() and, in particular, it does M->group_leader = T
> > (see "leader->group_leader = tsk" in de_thread).
> >
> > after that t->group_leader == OLD fails. t == M, its group_leader == T.
> > do_smth(T) won't be called.
> >
> > No?
> >
>
> I think we can handle this by removing the assignment. So in de_thread():
>
> -		leader->group_leader = tsk;

Ah, so that was you plan. I was confused by the 3rd argument, why
it is needed?

Yes, I thought about this too. Suppose we remove this assignment,
then we can simply do

	#define while_each_thread(g, t) \
		while (t->group_leader == g->group_leader && (t = next_thread(t)) != g)

with the same effect. (to remind, currently I ignore the barriers/etc).

But this can _only_ help if we start at the group leader!

May be we should enforce this rule (for the lockless case), I dunno...
In that case I'd prefer to add the new while_each_thread_rcu() helper.
But! in this case we do not need to change de_thread(), we can simply do

	#define while_each_thread_rcu(t) \
		while (({ t = next_thread(t); !thread_group_leader(t); }))

The definition above was one of the possibilities I considered, but
I wasn't able to convince myself this is the best option.

See? Or do you think I missed something?

Just in case... note that while_each_thread_rcu() doesn't use 'g'
at all. May be it makes sense to keep the old "t != g &&", but this
is minor.

Oleg.

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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Paul Menage <paul@paulmenage.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:20:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120113152010.GA19215@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120112175725.GD9511@google.com>

On 01/12, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov (oleg@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> > Still can't understand... Lets look at this trivial example again.
> >
> > We start from the main thread M, it is ->group_leader. There is
> > another thread T in this thread group. We are doing
> >
> > 	OLD = M;
> >
> > 	t = M;
> > 	do {
> > 		do_smth(t);
> > 	}
> > 	while (t->group_leader == OLD && ((t = next_thread(t)) != M);
> >
> > The first iteration does do_smth(M).
> >
> > T calls de_thread() and, in particular, it does M->group_leader = T
> > (see "leader->group_leader = tsk" in de_thread).
> >
> > after that t->group_leader == OLD fails. t == M, its group_leader == T.
> > do_smth(T) won't be called.
> >
> > No?
> >
>
> I think we can handle this by removing the assignment. So in de_thread():
>
> -		leader->group_leader = tsk;

Ah, so that was you plan. I was confused by the 3rd argument, why
it is needed?

Yes, I thought about this too. Suppose we remove this assignment,
then we can simply do

	#define while_each_thread(g, t) \
		while (t->group_leader == g->group_leader && (t = next_thread(t)) != g)

with the same effect. (to remind, currently I ignore the barriers/etc).

But this can _only_ help if we start at the group leader!

May be we should enforce this rule (for the lockless case), I dunno...
In that case I'd prefer to add the new while_each_thread_rcu() helper.
But! in this case we do not need to change de_thread(), we can simply do

	#define while_each_thread_rcu(t) \
		while (({ t = next_thread(t); !thread_group_leader(t); }))

The definition above was one of the possibilities I considered, but
I wasn't able to convince myself this is the best option.

See? Or do you think I missed something?

Just in case... note that while_each_thread_rcu() doesn't use 'g'
at all. May be it makes sense to keep the old "t != g &&", but this
is minor.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-13 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-21  3:43 Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21  3:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 13:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]   ` <20111221130848.GA19679-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:56       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:01       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:01       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:01         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]         ` <20111221190102.GE13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 19:08           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:08             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:24             ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:24               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]               ` <20111221192413.GF13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 20:04                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 20:04                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 20:04                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-22 15:30                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-22 15:30                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-22 15:30                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20111222153004.GA30522-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-04 19:36                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                         ` <20120104193614.GF9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 15:23                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-06 15:23                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20120106152356.GA23995-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 18:25                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                 ` <20120106182535.GJ9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-11 16:07                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-11 16:07                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                     ` <20120111160730.GA24556-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12  0:31                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12  0:31                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                         ` <20120112003102.GB9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:07                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:07                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                             ` <20120112170728.GA25717-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:57                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12 17:57                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12 17:57                                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                 ` <20120112175725.GD9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 15:20                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2012-01-13 15:20                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20120113152010.GA19215-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 18:27                                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-13 18:27                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                         ` <20120113182750.GD18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-14 17:36                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-14 17:36                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                             ` <20120114173648.GA32543-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-18 23:17                                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-18 23:17                                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-18 23:17                                                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-19 15:45                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20120119154522.GA14058-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20120119181803.GU18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-20 15:06                                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-20 15:06                                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-19 18:18                                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20120320193414.GA21277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-21 18:59                                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-21 18:59                                                                           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20120321185955.GK27051-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-23 17:51                                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20120118231742.GS18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 15:45                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 17:59     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:59       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:11       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 18:11         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20111221181101.GA3092-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:23             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-12-21  3:43 Frederic Weisbecker

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