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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com>,
	ben-linux@fluff.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Samsung devel for v3.3
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:24:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120109232456.GI30766@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120109095839.GH21765@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 09:58:39AM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 08:49:53PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > That'd be extremely disappointing, especially given that there's some
> > bug fixes in there for updates going in this merge window without which
> > mainline is going to have problems on s3c64xx (mostly the GPIO stuff).

> Here we go again with sucky work practices.

> This sucky behaviour has been around for a long time, I've long since
> given up complaining about it as it's exactly like talking to a bloody
> brick wall.  People just continue mixing development and fixes together.

Actually in this case the issue is slightly different - the fixes are
mostly fixes for issues introduced by other development going in during
this merge window, what's gone wrong is that they've been applied to a
different branch to that which had the problem.  Still an issue of
course, just a different one.

That said there's also an issue if pure development gets delayed - it
makes it harder to do further work based on top of the work that got
delayed, especially if any cross tree issues come into play.

> Note: Linus _has_ taken a copy of linux-next (read the 3.2 release email),
> and _is_ checking whether development stuff was in linux-next prior to
> the merge window opening.  It would be very unwise to send new development
> which wasn't already there.

That's not an issue here, all the stuff that's being discussed is in
-next but not sent to the arm-soc tree.

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From: broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com (Mark Brown)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [GIT PULL] Samsung devel for v3.3
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:24:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120109232456.GI30766@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120109095839.GH21765@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 09:58:39AM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 08:49:53PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > That'd be extremely disappointing, especially given that there's some
> > bug fixes in there for updates going in this merge window without which
> > mainline is going to have problems on s3c64xx (mostly the GPIO stuff).

> Here we go again with sucky work practices.

> This sucky behaviour has been around for a long time, I've long since
> given up complaining about it as it's exactly like talking to a bloody
> brick wall.  People just continue mixing development and fixes together.

Actually in this case the issue is slightly different - the fixes are
mostly fixes for issues introduced by other development going in during
this merge window, what's gone wrong is that they've been applied to a
different branch to that which had the problem.  Still an issue of
course, just a different one.

That said there's also an issue if pure development gets delayed - it
makes it harder to do further work based on top of the work that got
delayed, especially if any cross tree issues come into play.

> Note: Linus _has_ taken a copy of linux-next (read the 3.2 release email),
> and _is_ checking whether development stuff was in linux-next prior to
> the merge window opening.  It would be very unwise to send new development
> which wasn't already there.

That's not an issue here, all the stuff that's being discussed is in
-next but not sent to the arm-soc tree.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-09 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-03 23:33 [GIT PULL] Samsung devel for v3.3 Kukjin Kim
2012-01-03 23:33 ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-06 21:58 ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-06 21:58   ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-07 10:09   ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-07 10:09     ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-08 20:49   ` Mark Brown
2012-01-08 20:49     ` Mark Brown
2012-01-09  1:21     ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-09  1:21       ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-09  1:40       ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-09  1:40         ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-09  2:03         ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-09  2:03           ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-09 15:56         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-09 15:56           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-09 16:11           ` Mark Brown
2012-01-09 16:11             ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10  9:06             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-01-10  9:06               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-01-10 18:31               ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10 18:31                 ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10 18:44                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-01-10 18:44                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-01-10 18:46                   ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10 18:46                     ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10 19:00                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-01-10 19:00                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-01-10 20:13                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-10 20:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-10 22:37                       ` Mark Brown
2012-01-10 22:37                         ` Mark Brown
2012-01-11  0:11                         ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-11  0:11                           ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-11  6:39                           ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-11  6:39                             ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-11 16:19                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-11 16:19                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-11 16:50                           ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-11 16:50                             ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-11 17:29                             ` Mark Brown
2012-01-11 17:29                               ` Mark Brown
2012-01-11  6:20               ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-11  6:20                 ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-09  8:26       ` Mark Brown
2012-01-09  8:26         ` Mark Brown
2012-01-17  6:40         ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-17  6:40           ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-17  7:23           ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-17  7:23             ` Kukjin Kim
2012-01-17  7:24             ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-17  7:24               ` Olof Johansson
2012-01-17 10:53           ` Mark Brown
2012-01-17 10:53             ` Mark Brown
2012-01-09  9:58     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-01-09  9:58       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-01-09 23:24       ` Mark Brown [this message]
2012-01-09 23:24         ` Mark Brown

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