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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, peterz@infradead.org,
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	Barry Song <baohua.song@csr.com>, tglx@linutronix.
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC idle 2/3] arm: Avoid invoking RCU when CPU is idle
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:06:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120203060658.GH2380@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120203025350.GF13456@leaf>

On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:53:50PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 09:45:31PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 15:27 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:03:39PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > 
> > > [ . . . ]
> > > 
> > > > Anyway, one answer is (and I was talking with Paul about this on IRC) is
> > > > that we can create a special "TRACE_EVENT_IDLE()" that will explicitly
> > > > call "rcu_idle_exit/enter()" as it expects to be called with it off.
> > > > 
> > > > This should solve most issues I believe.
> > > 
> > > You OK with something like RCU_NONIDLE() rather than RCU_EVENT_IDLE()?
> > > I have this funny feeling that tracing won't be the only thing using
> > > RCU from idle.  :-/
> > > 
> > > Something like this, perhaps?
> > > 
> > > 	#define RCU_NONIDLE(a) \
> > > 		do { \
> > > 			rcu_idle_exit(); \
> > > 			do { a; } while (0); \
> > > 			rcu_idle_enter(); \
> > > 		}
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm fine with this. But what is the overhead for doing such a thing.
> > Remember, to encapsulate a tracepoint means that you will be doing that
> > work everytime regardless if the tracepoint is ever activated or not. Or
> > even worse, not even compiled into the kernel.
> 
> Yeah, this should definitely try to avoid doing any work in the normal
> case, if at all possible.  Not quite sure how to integrate that into
> tracepoints, though, short of teaching the trace API how to deal with
> getting invoked with RCU currently idle.

I agree that we need to apply this on a tracepoint-by-tracepoint basis --
too expensive for every tracepoint to be doing this, so reserve it for
the ones used in idle.

							Thanx, Paul

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From: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com (Paul E. McKenney)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC idle 2/3] arm: Avoid invoking RCU when CPU is idle
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:06:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120203060658.GH2380@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120203025350.GF13456@leaf>

On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:53:50PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 09:45:31PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 15:27 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:03:39PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > 
> > > [ . . . ]
> > > 
> > > > Anyway, one answer is (and I was talking with Paul about this on IRC) is
> > > > that we can create a special "TRACE_EVENT_IDLE()" that will explicitly
> > > > call "rcu_idle_exit/enter()" as it expects to be called with it off.
> > > > 
> > > > This should solve most issues I believe.
> > > 
> > > You OK with something like RCU_NONIDLE() rather than RCU_EVENT_IDLE()?
> > > I have this funny feeling that tracing won't be the only thing using
> > > RCU from idle.  :-/
> > > 
> > > Something like this, perhaps?
> > > 
> > > 	#define RCU_NONIDLE(a) \
> > > 		do { \
> > > 			rcu_idle_exit(); \
> > > 			do { a; } while (0); \
> > > 			rcu_idle_enter(); \
> > > 		}
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm fine with this. But what is the overhead for doing such a thing.
> > Remember, to encapsulate a tracepoint means that you will be doing that
> > work everytime regardless if the tracepoint is ever activated or not. Or
> > even worse, not even compiled into the kernel.
> 
> Yeah, this should definitely try to avoid doing any work in the normal
> case, if at all possible.  Not quite sure how to integrate that into
> tracepoints, though, short of teaching the trace API how to deal with
> getting invoked with RCU currently idle.

I agree that we need to apply this on a tracepoint-by-tracepoint basis --
too expensive for every tracepoint to be doing this, so reserve it for
the ones used in idle.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-03  6:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-02  0:42 [PATCH RFC idle] Make arm, sh, and x86 stop using RCU when idle Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:43 ` [PATCH RFC idle 1/3] x86: Avoid invoking RCU when CPU is idle Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:43   ` [PATCH RFC idle 2/3] arm: " Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  2:48     ` Rob Herring
2012-02-02  2:48       ` Rob Herring
2012-02-02  4:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  4:40         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  3:49     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02  3:49       ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02  4:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  4:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 17:13         ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02 17:13           ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02 17:43           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 17:43             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 18:31             ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02 18:31               ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-02-02 19:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 19:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 22:20                 ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-02 22:20                   ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-02 22:49                   ` Rob Herring
2012-02-02 22:49                     ` Rob Herring
2012-02-02 23:03                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-02 23:03                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-02 23:27                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 23:27                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 23:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 23:51                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03  2:45                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03  2:45                           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03  6:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03  6:04                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 18:55                             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03 18:55                               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03 19:40                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 19:40                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 20:02                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03 20:02                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03 20:23                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 20:23                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-06 21:18                                 ` [PATCH][RFC] tracing/rcu: Add trace_##name##__rcuidle() static tracepoint for inside rcu_idle_exit() sections Steven Rostedt
2012-02-06 21:18                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-06 23:38                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-06 23:38                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-07 12:32                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-07 12:32                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-07 14:11                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-07 14:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-08 13:57                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-08 13:57                                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-07 14:40                                       ` Josh Triplett
2012-02-07 14:40                                         ` Josh Triplett
     [not found]                                   ` <20120206220502.GA21340@leaf>
2012-02-07  0:36                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-07  0:36                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-17 13:47                                   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                           ` <20120203025350.GF13456@leaf>
2012-02-03  6:06                             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2012-02-03  6:06                               ` [PATCH RFC idle 2/3] arm: Avoid invoking RCU when CPU is idle Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 23:39                       ` Rob Herring
2012-02-02 23:39                         ` Rob Herring
2012-02-03 18:41                     ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-03 18:41                       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-03 19:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 19:26                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 19:36                       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-03 19:36                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-04 14:21                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-04 14:21                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-06 19:32                           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-06 19:32                             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-02 23:03                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 23:03                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 19:12                     ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-03 19:12                       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-03 19:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-03 19:26                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:43   ` [PATCH RFC idle 3/3] sh: " Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  1:54   ` [PATCH RFC idle 1/3] x86: " Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02  4:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  0:48 ` [PATCH RFC idle] Make arm, sh, and x86 stop using RCU when idle Josh Triplett
2012-02-02  1:14   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02  2:29 ` Paul Mundt
2012-02-02  4:58   ` Paul E. McKenney

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