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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, davem@davemloft.net,
	ddaney.cavm@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:20:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120222142056.GA20040@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1329918881.25686.92.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

* Steven Rostedt (rostedt@goodmis.org) wrote:
[...]
> Actually, I was partly under the impression that we didn't care if it
> was in the fast path. Maybe we need three versions. Let me explain.
> 
> We have cases where we want it default disabled and the code called when
> enabled should be as out of line as possible. Tracing definitely falls
> in this pattern. But we could push a "unlikely(static_branch())" for
> such a case (or keep it as very_unlikely()).
> 
> Then we have cases where it is default enabled, where we can insert the
> code in the fast path. Or do we even care how the compiler places it?
> Because this leads us to the third use...
> 
> The third use is the case were we don't know the branch should be taken
> or not until boot. We don't want the compiler to optimize the paths at
> all. This example is for things like CPU features or types (as HPA
> explained the "if (very_unlikely(cpu_vendor_amd))". This is the category
> that we want to have an efficient system for the running hardware. We
> can't bias one way or the other at compile time because frankly, we
> don't know the answer until run time. This could also be used by modules
> that are drivers for several types of hardware, and it can dynamically
> change itself to suit the hardware it is driving.
> 
[...]
One possible naming that might be a good fit:

- read_always_likely()
- read_always_unlikely()
- read_always_branch()

I think it is important to convey both that it is expected to be always
read, pretty much never updated, and the bias, or absence of bias.

I also _like_ to have a relatively long name here, because the update
cost is so high that someone should really think before using this
facility. In my opinion, it's not "just" a stronger likely/unlikely.

Thoughts ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 20:02 [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:02 ` [PATCH 01/10] jump label: Add a WARN() if jump label key count goes negative Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:13   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:02 ` [PATCH 02/10] jump label: fix compiler warning Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:14   ` [tip:perf/core] jump label: Fix " tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 03/10] jump label: introduce very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 04/10] jump label: introduce very_likely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 05/10] perf: update to use 'very_unlikely()' Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 06/10] tracepoints: update to use very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 07/10] sched: update to use very_[un]likely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 08/10] kvm: update to use very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 09/10] net: " Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 10/10] jump label: Add docs better explaining the whole jump label mechanism Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:15   ` [tip:perf/core] static keys: Add docs better explaining the whole 'struct static_key' mechanism tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:09 ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-21 20:20   ` Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:39     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-21 21:10       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-21 21:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-21 21:11       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-22  7:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  8:01           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  8:18             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  8:58               ` [PATCH] static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', very_[un]likely(), static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() Ingo Molnar
2012-02-29 10:16                 ` [tip:perf/core] static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', static_key_true()/false() and static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  9:03               ` [PATCH] jump labels: Explain the .config option better Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:08               ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:51                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 21:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2012-02-23 10:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 16:21                   ` Jason Baron
2012-02-23 17:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-24  9:11                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 17:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-23 22:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:39                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:44                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-23 23:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-24  2:25                           ` Jason Baron
2012-02-24  9:08                             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24 15:35                               ` Jason Baron
2012-02-27  7:40                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24 15:51                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-24 16:06                               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-24  7:52                         ` static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', static_key_true()/false() and static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  7:59                           ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  7:54                         ` [PATCH] static keys: Add docs better explaining the whole 'struct static_key' mechanism Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:45                       ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs Linus Torvalds
2012-02-24  8:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  2:42                       ` Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-21 21:11     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  6:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:03     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  7:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  7:48           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:55             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  8:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 13:22                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 13:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 13:54                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 14:20                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2012-02-22 14:36                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 14:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:11                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:12                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:15                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:19                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:42                           ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 15:54                             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:56                               ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 16:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:19                         ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 15:40                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:13                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:32                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 17:14                           ` Richard Henderson
2012-02-22 18:28                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 18:58                             ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 19:10                               ` H. Peter Anvin

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