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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: account VMA before forced-COW via /proc/pid/mem
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 03:35:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120410013549.GA19314@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1204091734530.2079@eggly.anvils>

On 04/09, Hugh Dickins wrote:
>
> Let me reiterate here that I was off at a tangent in bringing this up,
> so sorry for any confusion I spread.

I guess it was me who added the confusion ;)

> > OTOH, if the file was opened without FMODE_WRITE, then I do not
> > really understand how (PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED) differs from
> > (PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE).

I meant, from gup(FOLL_FORCE|FOLL_WRITE) pov. I didn't mean mprotect/etc.

> The strange weird confusing part is that having checked that you have
> permission to write to the file, it then avoids doing so (unless the
> area currently has PROT_WRITE): it COWs pages for you instead,
> leaving unexpected anon pages in the shared area.

Yes, and we could do the same in (PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED) case.

This is what looks strange to me. We require PROT_WRITE to force-
cow, although we are not going (and shouldn't) write to the file.


But, to avoid even more confusion, I am not arguing with your
"limit the damage by making GUP write,force fail in that case"
suggestion. At least I do not think ptrace/gdb can suffer.

> > Speaking of the difference above, I'd wish I could understand
> > what VM_MAYSHARE actually means except "MAP_SHARED was used".
>
> That's precisely it: so it's very useful in /proc/pid/maps, for
> deciding whether to show an 's' or a 'p', but not so often when
> real decisions are made (where, as you've observed, private readonly
> and shared readonly are treated very similarly, without VM_SHARED).

Aha, thanks a lot.

Oleg.

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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: account VMA before forced-COW via /proc/pid/mem
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 03:35:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120410013549.GA19314@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1204091734530.2079@eggly.anvils>

On 04/09, Hugh Dickins wrote:
>
> Let me reiterate here that I was off at a tangent in bringing this up,
> so sorry for any confusion I spread.

I guess it was me who added the confusion ;)

> > OTOH, if the file was opened without FMODE_WRITE, then I do not
> > really understand how (PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED) differs from
> > (PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE).

I meant, from gup(FOLL_FORCE|FOLL_WRITE) pov. I didn't mean mprotect/etc.

> The strange weird confusing part is that having checked that you have
> permission to write to the file, it then avoids doing so (unless the
> area currently has PROT_WRITE): it COWs pages for you instead,
> leaving unexpected anon pages in the shared area.

Yes, and we could do the same in (PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED) case.

This is what looks strange to me. We require PROT_WRITE to force-
cow, although we are not going (and shouldn't) write to the file.


But, to avoid even more confusion, I am not arguing with your
"limit the damage by making GUP write,force fail in that case"
suggestion. At least I do not think ptrace/gdb can suffer.

> > Speaking of the difference above, I'd wish I could understand
> > what VM_MAYSHARE actually means except "MAP_SHARED was used".
>
> That's precisely it: so it's very useful in /proc/pid/maps, for
> deciding whether to show an 's' or a 'p', but not so often when
> real decisions are made (where, as you've observed, private readonly
> and shared readonly are treated very similarly, without VM_SHARED).

Aha, thanks a lot.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-10  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-02 15:36 [PATCH RFC] mm: account VMA before forced-COW via /proc/pid/mem Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-02 15:36 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-03 14:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-03 14:37   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-04  9:59   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-04  9:59     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-04 15:41     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-04 15:41       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-05  8:31       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-05  8:31         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-07  4:21         ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-07  4:21           ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-07  5:11           ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-07  5:11             ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-10  0:34             ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-10  0:34               ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-07 17:33           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-07 17:33             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-10  1:04             ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-10  1:04               ` Hugh Dickins
2012-04-10  1:35               ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2012-04-10  1:35                 ` Oleg Nesterov

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