From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/16] user_ns: use new hashtable implementation
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:31:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120815033155.GA32653@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87obmchmpu.fsf@xmission.com>
* Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com) wrote:
> Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 08/15/2012 03:08 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >>> I can offer the following: I'll write a small module that will hash 1...10000
> >>> > into a hashtable which uses 7 bits (just like user_ns) and post the distribution
> >>> > we'll get.
> >> That won't hurt. I think 1-100 then 1000-1100 may actually be more
> >> representative. Not that I would mind seeing the larger range.
> >> Especially since I am in the process of encouraging the use of more
> >> uids.
> >>
> >
> > Alrighty, the results are in (numbers are objects in bucket):
> >
> > For the 0...10000 range:
> >
> > Average: 78.125
> > Std dev: 1.4197704151
> > Min: 75
> > Max: 80
> >
> >
> > For the 1...100 range:
> >
> > Average: 0.78125
> > Std dev: 0.5164613088
> > Min: 0
> > Max: 2
> >
> >
> > For the 1000...1100 range:
> >
> > Average: 0.7890625
> > Std dev: 0.4964812206
> > Min: 0
> > Max: 2
> >
> >
> > Looks like hash_32 is pretty good with small numbers.
>
> Yes hash_32 seems reasonable for the uid hash. With those long hash
> chains I wouldn't like to be on a machine with 10,000 processes with
> each with a different uid, and a processes calling setuid in the fast
> path.
>
> The uid hash that we are playing with is one that I sort of wish that
> the hash table could grow in size, so that we could scale up better.
Hi Eric,
If you want to try out something that has more features than a basic
hash table, already exists and is available for you to play with, you
might want to have a look at the RCU lock-free resizable hash table.
It's initially done in userspace, but shares the same RCU semantic as
the kernel, and has chunk-based kernel-friendly index backends (thanks
to Lai Jiangshan), very useful to integrate with the kernel page
allocator.
It has the following properties that might make this container a good
fit for uid hashing:
- Real-time friendly lookups: Lookups are RCU and wait-free.
- Fast and real-time friendly updates: Use cmpxchg for update, and RCU
to deal with ABA.
- Resize (expand/shrink) for each power of two size, performed
concurrently with ongoing updates and lookups.
- Has add_unique (uniquify), add_replace, and also duplicate semantics.
- Provide uniqueness guarantees for RCU traversals of the hash table
with respect to add_unique and add_replace.
So if you are looking for a fast, RT-friendly, resizable hash table to
play with, you might want to have a look at the userspace RCU
implementation, which now features this hash table:
https://lttng.org/urcu
See urcu/rculfhash.h for the API.
Best regards,
Mathieu
>
> Aw well. Most of the time we only have a very small number of uids
> in play, so it doesn't matter at this point.
>
> Eric
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com,
davem@davemloft.net, rostedt@goodmis.org, mingo@elte.hu,
aarcange@redhat.com, ericvh@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
josh@joshtriplett.org, eric.dumazet@gmail.com, axboe@kernel.dk,
agk@redhat.com, dm-devel@redhat.com, neilb@suse.de,
ccaulfie@redhat.com, teigland@redhat.com,
Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, bfields@fieldses.org,
fweisbec@gmail.com, jesse@nicira.com,
venkat.x.venkatsubra@oracle.com, ejt@redhat.com,
snitzer@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, dev@openvswitch.org,
rds-devel@oss.oracle.com, lw@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/16] user_ns: use new hashtable implementation
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:31:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120815033155.GA32653@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87obmchmpu.fsf@xmission.com>
* Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com) wrote:
> Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 08/15/2012 03:08 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >>> I can offer the following: I'll write a small module that will hash 1...10000
> >>> > into a hashtable which uses 7 bits (just like user_ns) and post the distribution
> >>> > we'll get.
> >> That won't hurt. I think 1-100 then 1000-1100 may actually be more
> >> representative. Not that I would mind seeing the larger range.
> >> Especially since I am in the process of encouraging the use of more
> >> uids.
> >>
> >
> > Alrighty, the results are in (numbers are objects in bucket):
> >
> > For the 0...10000 range:
> >
> > Average: 78.125
> > Std dev: 1.4197704151
> > Min: 75
> > Max: 80
> >
> >
> > For the 1...100 range:
> >
> > Average: 0.78125
> > Std dev: 0.5164613088
> > Min: 0
> > Max: 2
> >
> >
> > For the 1000...1100 range:
> >
> > Average: 0.7890625
> > Std dev: 0.4964812206
> > Min: 0
> > Max: 2
> >
> >
> > Looks like hash_32 is pretty good with small numbers.
>
> Yes hash_32 seems reasonable for the uid hash. With those long hash
> chains I wouldn't like to be on a machine with 10,000 processes with
> each with a different uid, and a processes calling setuid in the fast
> path.
>
> The uid hash that we are playing with is one that I sort of wish that
> the hash table could grow in size, so that we could scale up better.
Hi Eric,
If you want to try out something that has more features than a basic
hash table, already exists and is available for you to play with, you
might want to have a look at the RCU lock-free resizable hash table.
It's initially done in userspace, but shares the same RCU semantic as
the kernel, and has chunk-based kernel-friendly index backends (thanks
to Lai Jiangshan), very useful to integrate with the kernel page
allocator.
It has the following properties that might make this container a good
fit for uid hashing:
- Real-time friendly lookups: Lookups are RCU and wait-free.
- Fast and real-time friendly updates: Use cmpxchg for update, and RCU
to deal with ABA.
- Resize (expand/shrink) for each power of two size, performed
concurrently with ongoing updates and lookups.
- Has add_unique (uniquify), add_replace, and also duplicate semantics.
- Provide uniqueness guarantees for RCU traversals of the hash table
with respect to add_unique and add_replace.
So if you are looking for a fast, RT-friendly, resizable hash table to
play with, you might want to have a look at the userspace RCU
implementation, which now features this hash table:
https://lttng.org/urcu
See urcu/rculfhash.h for the API.
Best regards,
Mathieu
>
> Aw well. Most of the time we only have a very small number of uids
> in play, so it doesn't matter at this point.
>
> Eric
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-15 3:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-08-14 16:24 [PATCH 00/16] generic hashtable implementation Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 02/16] user_ns: use new " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 23:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-14 23:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87txw5hw0s.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-15 0:47 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 0:47 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 0:47 ` Sasha Levin
[not found] ` <502AF184.4010907-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-15 1:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 1:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 1:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 1:35 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 1:35 ` Sasha Levin
[not found] ` <502AFCD5.6070104-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15 3:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2012-08-15 3:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-15 13:40 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 13:40 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 13:40 ` Sasha Levin
[not found] ` <87obmchmpu.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-15 8:46 ` David Laight
2012-08-15 8:46 ` David Laight
2012-08-15 8:46 ` David Laight
[not found] ` <AE90C24D6B3A694183C094C60CF0A2F6026B6FB5-CgBM+Bx2aUAnGFn1LkZF6NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-16 14:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-16 14:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-16 14:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-08-18 21:52 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-18 22:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 03/16] mm,ksm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 07/16] net,9p: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
[not found] ` <1344961490-4068-1-git-send-email-levinsasha928-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 01/16] hashtable: introduce a small and naive hashtable Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
[not found] ` <1344961490-4068-2-git-send-email-levinsasha928-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-14 23:25 ` NeilBrown
2012-08-14 23:25 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20120815092523.00a909ef-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-15 0:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 0:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 0:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-15 0:28 ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-15 0:28 ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 04/16] workqueue: use new hashtable implementation Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 05/16] mm/huge_memory: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 06/16] tracepoint: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 08/16] block, elevator: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 08/16] block,elevator: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 09/16] SUNRPC/cache: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 10/16] dlm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 11/16] net, l2tp: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 11/16] net,l2tp: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 12/16] dm: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 13/16] lockd: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 15/16] openvswitch: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 16/16] tracing output: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` [PATCH 14/16] net,rds: " Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 16:24 ` Sasha Levin
2012-08-14 18:16 ` [PATCH 00/16] generic " J. Bruce Fields
2012-08-14 18:16 ` J. Bruce Fields
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-08-19 0:52 [PATCH v2 " Sasha Levin
2012-08-19 0:52 ` [PATCH 02/16] user_ns: use new " Sasha Levin
2012-08-19 0:52 ` Sasha Levin
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