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From: Ben Hutchings <ben-/+tVBieCtBitmTQ+vhA3Yw@public.gmane.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Dave Jones <davej-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra
	<a.p.zijlstra-/NLkJaSkS4VmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering
	<lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Kamezawa Hiroyuki
	<kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:41:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120903164148.GS29217@decadent.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1346687211-31848-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 07:46:51PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> Here is a new attempt to lay down a path that will allow us to deprecate
> the non-hierarchical mode of operation from memcg.  Unlike what I posted
> before, I am making this behavior conditional on a Kconfig option.
> Vanilla users will see no change in behavior unless they don't
> explicitly set this option to on.

There are too many negatives in this sentence - it is not only
unclear, but appears to be incorrect.  I think you should delete
'don't'.

[...]
> --- a/init/Kconfig
> +++ b/init/Kconfig
> @@ -726,6 +726,24 @@ config MEMCG_SWAP
>  	  if boot option "swapaccount=0" is set, swap will not be accounted.
>  	  Now, memory usage of swap_cgroup is 2 bytes per entry. If swap page
>  	  size is 4096bytes, 512k per 1Gbytes of swap.
> +
> +config MEMCG_HIERARCHY_DEFAULT
> +	bool "Hierarchical memcg"
> +	depends on MEMCG
> +	default n
> +	help
> +	  The memory controller has two modes of accounting: hierarchical and
> +	  flat. Hierarchical accounting will charge pages all the way towards a
> +	  group's parent while flat hierarchy will threat all groups as children

typo: 'threat' should be 'treat'

> +	  of the root memcg, regardless of their positioning in the tree.
> +
> +	  Use of flat hierarchies is highly discouraged, but has been the
> +	  default for performance reasons for quite some time. Setting this flag
> +	  to on will make hierarchical accounting the default. It is still
> +	  possible to set it back to flat by writing 0 to the file
> +	  memory.use_hierarchy, albeit discouraged. Distributors are encouraged
> +	  to set this option.
[...]

I don't think that 'default n' is effective encouragement!

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.
                                                              - Albert Camus

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:41:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120903164148.GS29217@decadent.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1346687211-31848-1-git-send-email-glommer@parallels.com>

On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 07:46:51PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> Here is a new attempt to lay down a path that will allow us to deprecate
> the non-hierarchical mode of operation from memcg.  Unlike what I posted
> before, I am making this behavior conditional on a Kconfig option.
> Vanilla users will see no change in behavior unless they don't
> explicitly set this option to on.

There are too many negatives in this sentence - it is not only
unclear, but appears to be incorrect.  I think you should delete
'don't'.

[...]
> --- a/init/Kconfig
> +++ b/init/Kconfig
> @@ -726,6 +726,24 @@ config MEMCG_SWAP
>  	  if boot option "swapaccount=0" is set, swap will not be accounted.
>  	  Now, memory usage of swap_cgroup is 2 bytes per entry. If swap page
>  	  size is 4096bytes, 512k per 1Gbytes of swap.
> +
> +config MEMCG_HIERARCHY_DEFAULT
> +	bool "Hierarchical memcg"
> +	depends on MEMCG
> +	default n
> +	help
> +	  The memory controller has two modes of accounting: hierarchical and
> +	  flat. Hierarchical accounting will charge pages all the way towards a
> +	  group's parent while flat hierarchy will threat all groups as children

typo: 'threat' should be 'treat'

> +	  of the root memcg, regardless of their positioning in the tree.
> +
> +	  Use of flat hierarchies is highly discouraged, but has been the
> +	  default for performance reasons for quite some time. Setting this flag
> +	  to on will make hierarchical accounting the default. It is still
> +	  possible to set it back to flat by writing 0 to the file
> +	  memory.use_hierarchy, albeit discouraged. Distributors are encouraged
> +	  to set this option.
[...]

I don't think that 'default n' is effective encouragement!

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.
                                                              - Albert Camus

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From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:41:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120903164148.GS29217@decadent.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1346687211-31848-1-git-send-email-glommer@parallels.com>

On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 07:46:51PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> Here is a new attempt to lay down a path that will allow us to deprecate
> the non-hierarchical mode of operation from memcg.  Unlike what I posted
> before, I am making this behavior conditional on a Kconfig option.
> Vanilla users will see no change in behavior unless they don't
> explicitly set this option to on.

There are too many negatives in this sentence - it is not only
unclear, but appears to be incorrect.  I think you should delete
'don't'.

[...]
> --- a/init/Kconfig
> +++ b/init/Kconfig
> @@ -726,6 +726,24 @@ config MEMCG_SWAP
>  	  if boot option "swapaccount=0" is set, swap will not be accounted.
>  	  Now, memory usage of swap_cgroup is 2 bytes per entry. If swap page
>  	  size is 4096bytes, 512k per 1Gbytes of swap.
> +
> +config MEMCG_HIERARCHY_DEFAULT
> +	bool "Hierarchical memcg"
> +	depends on MEMCG
> +	default n
> +	help
> +	  The memory controller has two modes of accounting: hierarchical and
> +	  flat. Hierarchical accounting will charge pages all the way towards a
> +	  group's parent while flat hierarchy will threat all groups as children

typo: 'threat' should be 'treat'

> +	  of the root memcg, regardless of their positioning in the tree.
> +
> +	  Use of flat hierarchies is highly discouraged, but has been the
> +	  default for performance reasons for quite some time. Setting this flag
> +	  to on will make hierarchical accounting the default. It is still
> +	  possible to set it back to flat by writing 0 to the file
> +	  memory.use_hierarchy, albeit discouraged. Distributors are encouraged
> +	  to set this option.
[...]

I don't think that 'default n' is effective encouragement!

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.
                                                              - Albert Camus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-03 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-03 15:46 [PATCH v2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller Glauber Costa
2012-09-03 15:46 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1346687211-31848-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-03 16:41   ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2012-09-03 16:41     ` Ben Hutchings
2012-09-03 16:41     ` Ben Hutchings
     [not found]     ` <20120903164148.GS29217-/+tVBieCtBitmTQ+vhA3Yw@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04  8:29       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04  8:29         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04  8:29         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-03 17:08 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-03 17:08   ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04  8:34   ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04  8:34     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <5045BD25.10301-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 13:09       ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 13:09         ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 13:09         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20120904130905.GA15683-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 13:27           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 13:27             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 13:27             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 14:35             ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 14:35               ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 14:35               ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 14:37               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 14:37                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 14:37                 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <50461241.5010300-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 14:54                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 14:54                     ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 14:54                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                     ` <20120904145414.GC15683-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 14:54                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 14:54                         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-04 14:54                         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                         ` <50461610.30305-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 16:25                           ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 16:25                             ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-04 16:25                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                             ` <20120904162501.GE15683-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-05  8:14                               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-05  8:14                                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-05  8:14                                 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                                 ` <504709D4.2010800-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-05 14:49                                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-05 14:49                                     ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-05 14:49                                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                     ` <20120905144942.GH5388-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-05 20:12                                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05 20:12                                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05 20:12                                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20120905201238.GE13737-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-06 12:06                                           ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-06 12:06                                             ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-06 12:06                                             ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-06 12:09                                             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-06 12:09                                               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                                               ` <50489270.7060108-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-06 12:18                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-06 12:18                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-06 12:18                                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                   ` <20120906121842.GG22426-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-07  9:45                                                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-07  9:45                                                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-07  9:45                                                       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]               ` <20120904143552.GB15683-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-04 18:22                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 18:22                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 18:22                   ` Tejun Heo

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