From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
kernel-team@android.com, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] man-pages: Add man page for vmpressure_fd(2)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:39:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121121113920.0f0672b1.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121121150149.GE8218@suse.de>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:01:50 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:12:28AM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Anton Vorontsov wrote:
> >
> > > We try to make userland freeing resources when the system becomes low on
> > > memory. Once we're short on memory, sometimes it's better to discard
> > > (free) data, rather than let the kernel to drain file caches or even start
> > > swapping.
> > >
> >
> > To add another usecase: its possible to modify our version of malloc (or
> > any malloc) so that memory that is free()'d can be released back to the
> > kernel only when necessary, i.e. when keeping the extra memory around
> > starts to have a detremental effect on the system, memcg, or cpuset. When
> > there is an abundance of memory available such that allocations need not
> > defragment or reclaim memory to be allocated, it can improve performance
> > to keep a memory arena from which to allocate from immediately without
> > calling the kernel.
> >
>
> A potential third use case is a variation of the first for batch systems. If
> it's running low priority tasks and a high priority task starts that
> results in memory pressure then the job scheduler may decide to move the
> low priority jobs elsewhere (or cancel them entirely).
>
> A similar use case is monitoring systems running high priority workloads
> that should never swap. It can be easily detected if the system starts
> swapping but a pressure notification might act as an early warning system
> that something is happening on the system that might cause the primary
> workload to start swapping.
I hope Anton's writing all of this down ;)
The proposed API bugs me a bit. It seems simplistic. I need to have a
quality think about this. Maybe the result of that think will be to
suggest an interface which can be extended in a back-compatible fashion
later on, if/when the simplistic nature becomes a problem.
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
kernel-team@android.com, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] man-pages: Add man page for vmpressure_fd(2)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:39:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121121113920.0f0672b1.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121121150149.GE8218@suse.de>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:01:50 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:12:28AM -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Anton Vorontsov wrote:
> >
> > > We try to make userland freeing resources when the system becomes low on
> > > memory. Once we're short on memory, sometimes it's better to discard
> > > (free) data, rather than let the kernel to drain file caches or even start
> > > swapping.
> > >
> >
> > To add another usecase: its possible to modify our version of malloc (or
> > any malloc) so that memory that is free()'d can be released back to the
> > kernel only when necessary, i.e. when keeping the extra memory around
> > starts to have a detremental effect on the system, memcg, or cpuset. When
> > there is an abundance of memory available such that allocations need not
> > defragment or reclaim memory to be allocated, it can improve performance
> > to keep a memory arena from which to allocate from immediately without
> > calling the kernel.
> >
>
> A potential third use case is a variation of the first for batch systems. If
> it's running low priority tasks and a high priority task starts that
> results in memory pressure then the job scheduler may decide to move the
> low priority jobs elsewhere (or cancel them entirely).
>
> A similar use case is monitoring systems running high priority workloads
> that should never swap. It can be easily detected if the system starts
> swapping but a pressure notification might act as an early warning system
> that something is happening on the system that might cause the primary
> workload to start swapping.
I hope Anton's writing all of this down ;)
The proposed API bugs me a bit. It seems simplistic. I need to have a
quality think about this. Maybe the result of that think will be to
suggest an interface which can be extended in a back-compatible fashion
later on, if/when the simplistic nature becomes a problem.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-21 19:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-07 10:53 [RFC v3 0/3] vmpressure_fd: Linux VM pressure notifications Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 10:53 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 10:53 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` [RFC 1/3] mm: Add " Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-08 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-08 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-08 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20121108170124.GB8218-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 17:14 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-08 17:14 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-08 17:14 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-13 18:38 ` Jonathan Corbet
2012-11-13 18:38 ` Jonathan Corbet
2012-11-07 11:01 ` [RFC 2/3] tools/testing: Add vmpressure-test utility Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` [RFC 3/3] man-pages: Add man page for vmpressure_fd(2) Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:01 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 14:19 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-07 14:19 ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-20 5:52 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-20 5:52 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-20 5:52 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121119215211.6370ac3b.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 6:24 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-20 6:24 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-20 6:24 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-20 18:12 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 18:12 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 18:12 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211201004390.4200-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-21 15:01 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 15:01 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 15:01 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-21 19:39 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2012-11-21 19:39 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-22 8:52 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-22 8:52 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:21 ` [RFC v3 0/3] vmpressure_fd: Linux VM pressure notifications Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-07 11:21 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-07 11:43 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 11:43 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 12:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-07 12:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
[not found] ` <20121107121110.GA32402-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 12:28 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 12:28 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 12:28 ` Anton Vorontsov
[not found] ` <20121107112136.GA31715-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 11:28 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:28 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:28 ` Pekka Enberg
[not found] ` <CAOJsxLHY+3ZzGuGX=4o1pLfhRqjkKaEMyhX0ejB5nVrDvOWXNA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 11:43 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-07 11:43 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-07 11:43 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
[not found] ` <20121107114321.GA32265-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 3:21 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 3:21 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 3:21 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211141910050.14414-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 3:39 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 3:39 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 3:39 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 3:59 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 3:59 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211141946370.14414-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 7:34 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 7:34 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 7:34 ` Anton Vorontsov
[not found] ` <20121115073420.GA19036-SAfYLu58TvsAzdhXFe8piDcLetGT9WKNKwcig+XE9tjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-15 8:11 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 8:11 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 8:11 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 8:52 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 8:52 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-15 21:25 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-15 21:25 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211151303510.27188-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-16 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-16 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-16 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <50A60873.3000607-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-16 20:04 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-16 20:04 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-16 20:04 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-16 21:12 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-16 21:12 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-16 21:57 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-16 21:57 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-17 1:21 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-17 1:21 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-18 22:53 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-18 22:53 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <20121117012114.GA22910-SAfYLu58TvubUOgZnPAKMoC2/QZ1MJnMKwcig+XE9tjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-19 14:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 14:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 14:00 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211161349420.17853-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-19 13:57 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 13:57 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 13:57 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-20 18:02 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 18:02 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211200950120.4200-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-21 9:30 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-21 9:30 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-21 9:30 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-11-21 11:32 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-11-21 11:32 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-11-21 11:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 11:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 13:48 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-11-21 13:48 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-11-26 21:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-11-26 21:35 ` Michal Hocko
2012-11-19 14:19 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 14:19 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-19 14:19 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <50AA3FEF.2070100-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 18:23 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 18:23 ` David Rientjes
2012-11-20 18:23 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211201013460.4200-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-21 8:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 8:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 8:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 8:46 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-21 8:46 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-21 9:25 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-21 9:25 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-07 17:20 ` Greg Thelen
2012-11-07 17:20 ` Greg Thelen
2012-11-07 17:20 ` Greg Thelen
[not found] ` <xr93liedfhy4.fsf-aSPv4SP+Du0KgorLzL7FmE7CuiCeIGUxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 20:52 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 20:52 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 20:52 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:30 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:30 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:30 ` Pekka Enberg
[not found] ` <CAOJsxLFz+Zi=A0uyuNMj411ngjwpstakNY3fEWy6tW_h4whr7w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 11:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 11:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-07 12:06 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 12:06 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-07 12:06 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-09 8:32 ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-11-09 8:32 ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-11-09 9:04 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-09 9:04 ` Anton Vorontsov
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