From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@huawei.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:05:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121129110535.GY8218@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B73B22.90500@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 07:38:26PM +0900, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> 2012/11/29 6:34, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >>1. use firmware information
> >> According to ACPI spec 5.0, SRAT table has memory affinity structure
> >> and the structure has Hot Pluggable Filed. See "5.2.16.2 Memory
> >> Affinity Structure". If we use the information, we might be able to
> >> specify movable memory by firmware. For example, if Hot Pluggable
> >> Filed is enabled, Linux sets the memory as movable memory.
> >>
> >>2. use boot option
> >> This is our proposal. New boot option can specify memory range to use
> >> as movable memory.
> >
> >Isn't this just moving the work to the user? To pick good values for the
>
> Yes.
>
> >movable areas, they need to know how the memory lines up across
> >node boundaries ... because they need to make sure to allow some
> >non-movable memory allocations on each node so that the kernel can
> >take advantage of node locality.
>
> There is no problem.
> Linux has already two boot options, kernelcore= and movablecore=.
> So if we use them, non-movable memory is divided into each node evenly.
>
The motivation for those options was to reserve a percentage of memory
to be used for hugepage allocation. If hugepages were not being used at
a particular time then they could be used for other purposes. While the
system could in theory face lowmem/highmem style problems, in practice
it did not happen because the memory would be allocated as hugetlbfs
pages and unavailable anyway. The same does not really apply to a general
purpose system that you want to support memory hot-remove on so be wary of
lowmem/highmem style problems caused by relying too heavily on ZONE_MOVABLE.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@huawei.com>,
Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"rob@landley.net" <rob@landley.net>,
"laijs@cn.fujitsu.com" <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
"wency@cn.fujitsu.com" <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
"linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com" <linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com>,
"yinghai@kernel.org" <yinghai@kernel.org>,
"kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
"rientjes@google.com" <rientjes@google.com>,
"rusty@rustcorp.com.au" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, "Wang, Frank" <frank.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:05:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121129110535.GY8218@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B73B22.90500@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 07:38:26PM +0900, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> 2012/11/29 6:34, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >>1. use firmware information
> >> According to ACPI spec 5.0, SRAT table has memory affinity structure
> >> and the structure has Hot Pluggable Filed. See "5.2.16.2 Memory
> >> Affinity Structure". If we use the information, we might be able to
> >> specify movable memory by firmware. For example, if Hot Pluggable
> >> Filed is enabled, Linux sets the memory as movable memory.
> >>
> >>2. use boot option
> >> This is our proposal. New boot option can specify memory range to use
> >> as movable memory.
> >
> >Isn't this just moving the work to the user? To pick good values for the
>
> Yes.
>
> >movable areas, they need to know how the memory lines up across
> >node boundaries ... because they need to make sure to allow some
> >non-movable memory allocations on each node so that the kernel can
> >take advantage of node locality.
>
> There is no problem.
> Linux has already two boot options, kernelcore= and movablecore=.
> So if we use them, non-movable memory is divided into each node evenly.
>
The motivation for those options was to reserve a percentage of memory
to be used for hugepage allocation. If hugepages were not being used at
a particular time then they could be used for other purposes. While the
system could in theory face lowmem/highmem style problems, in practice
it did not happen because the memory would be allocated as hugetlbfs
pages and unavailable anyway. The same does not really apply to a general
purpose system that you want to support memory hot-remove on so be wary of
lowmem/highmem style problems caused by relying too heavily on ZONE_MOVABLE.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-29 11:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-23 10:44 [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86: get pg_data_t's memory from other node Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-24 1:19 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-24 1:19 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-26 1:19 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 1:19 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-02 15:11 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-02 15:11 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] page_alloc: add movable_memmap kernel parameter Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] page_alloc: Introduce zone_movable_limit[] to keep movable limit for nodes Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-05 15:46 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-05 15:46 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 1:20 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06 1:20 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] page_alloc: Make movablecore_map has higher priority Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-05 15:43 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-05 15:43 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 1:26 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06 1:26 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06 2:26 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 2:26 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 2:51 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-12-06 2:51 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-12-06 2:57 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06 2:57 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-09 8:10 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-09 8:10 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-10 2:15 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-10 2:15 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] page_alloc: Bootmem limit with movablecore_map Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:22 ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:22 ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:53 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:53 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:40 ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:40 ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 13:15 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 13:15 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 15:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-26 15:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 0:58 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 0:58 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 3:19 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 3:19 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 3:22 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 3:22 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 3:34 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 3:34 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 1:12 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-27 1:12 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-27 1:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 1:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 3:15 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 3:15 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 5:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 5:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-06 17:28 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:28 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-06 17:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-07 0:18 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-07 0:18 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-19 9:17 ` Tang Chen
2012-12-19 9:17 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 3:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option wujianguo
2012-11-27 3:10 ` wujianguo
2012-11-27 5:43 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 5:43 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 6:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 6:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 6:47 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 6:47 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-28 3:47 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28 3:47 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28 4:01 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 4:01 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 5:21 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28 5:21 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28 5:17 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 5:17 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 4:53 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-28 4:53 ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27 8:00 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 8:00 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 8:29 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 8:29 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 8:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 8:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 9:47 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 9:47 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27 9:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 9:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27 9:59 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-27 9:59 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-27 12:09 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 12:09 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 12:49 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 12:49 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28 3:24 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-28 3:24 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-28 4:08 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 4:08 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 6:16 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28 6:16 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28 7:03 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 7:03 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 8:29 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28 8:29 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28 8:28 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 8:28 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 8:38 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28 8:38 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-29 0:43 ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29 0:43 ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29 1:24 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-29 1:24 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-30 9:20 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-11-30 9:20 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-11-28 8:47 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 8:47 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 21:34 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-28 21:34 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-28 21:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-28 21:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 11:00 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 11:00 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 16:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 16:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 22:41 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-29 22:41 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-29 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30 2:56 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30 2:56 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30 3:15 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-30 3:15 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-30 15:36 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30 15:36 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30 2:58 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-30 2:58 ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-30 3:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30 3:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30 10:19 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 10:19 ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 10:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-30 10:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 10:38 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-29 10:38 ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-29 11:05 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-11-29 11:05 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 15:47 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:47 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:53 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:53 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 1:42 ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29 1:42 ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29 2:25 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 2:25 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 2:49 ` Wanpeng Li
2012-11-29 2:59 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 2:59 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 2:49 ` Wanpeng Li
2012-11-30 22:27 ` Toshi Kani
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