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From: Jiang Liu <liuj97@gmail.com>
To: Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@huawei.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"rob@landley.net" <rob@landley.net>,
	"laijs@cn.fujitsu.com" <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"wency@cn.fujitsu.com" <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com" <linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"yinghai@kernel.org" <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	"kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	"rientjes@google.com" <rientjes@google.com>,
	"rusty@rustcorp.com.au" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, "Wang, Frank" <frank.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:36:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B8D288.4080204@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B824DE.40702@jp.fujitsu.com>

On 11/30/2012 11:15 AM, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
> Hi Jiang,
> 
>>
>> For the first issue, I think we could automatically convert pages
>> from movable zones into normal zones. Congyan from Fujitsu has provided
>> a patchset to manually convert pages from movable zones into normal zones,
>> I think we could extend that mechanism to automatically convert when
>> normal zones are under pressure by hooking into the slow page allocation
>> path.
>>
>> We rely on hardware features to solve the second and third issues.
>> Some new platforms provide a new RAS feature called "hardware memory
>> migration", which transparent migrate memory from one memory device
>> to another. With hardware memory migration, we could configure one
>> memory device on a NUMA node to host normal zone, and the other memory
>> devices to host movable zone. By this configuration, it won't cause
>> performance drop because each NUMA node still has local normal zone.
>> When trying to remove a memory device hosting normal zone, we just
>> need to find another spare memory device and use hardware memory migration
>> to transparently migrate memory content to the spare one. The drawback
>> is we have strong dependency on hardware features so it's not a common
>> solution for all architectures.
> 
> I agree with you. If BIOS and hardware support memory hotplug, OS should
> use them. But if OS cannot use them, we need to solve in OS. I think
> that our proposal which used ZONE_MOVABLE is first step for supporting
> memory hotplug.
Hi Yasuaki,
	It's true, we should start with first step then improve it.
Regards!
Gerry

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From: Jiang Liu <liuj97@gmail.com>
To: Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@huawei.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"rob@landley.net" <rob@landley.net>,
	"laijs@cn.fujitsu.com" <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"wency@cn.fujitsu.com" <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com" <linfeng@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"yinghai@kernel.org" <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	"kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	"rientjes@google.com" <rientjes@google.com>,
	"rusty@rustcorp.com.au" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, "Wang, Frank" <frank.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:36:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B8D288.4080204@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B824DE.40702@jp.fujitsu.com>

On 11/30/2012 11:15 AM, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
> Hi Jiang,
> 
>>
>> For the first issue, I think we could automatically convert pages
>> from movable zones into normal zones. Congyan from Fujitsu has provided
>> a patchset to manually convert pages from movable zones into normal zones,
>> I think we could extend that mechanism to automatically convert when
>> normal zones are under pressure by hooking into the slow page allocation
>> path.
>>
>> We rely on hardware features to solve the second and third issues.
>> Some new platforms provide a new RAS feature called "hardware memory
>> migration", which transparent migrate memory from one memory device
>> to another. With hardware memory migration, we could configure one
>> memory device on a NUMA node to host normal zone, and the other memory
>> devices to host movable zone. By this configuration, it won't cause
>> performance drop because each NUMA node still has local normal zone.
>> When trying to remove a memory device hosting normal zone, we just
>> need to find another spare memory device and use hardware memory migration
>> to transparently migrate memory content to the spare one. The drawback
>> is we have strong dependency on hardware features so it's not a common
>> solution for all architectures.
> 
> I agree with you. If BIOS and hardware support memory hotplug, OS should
> use them. But if OS cannot use them, we need to solve in OS. I think
> that our proposal which used ZONE_MOVABLE is first step for supporting
> memory hotplug.
Hi Yasuaki,
	It's true, we should start with first step then improve it.
Regards!
Gerry


  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-30 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-23 10:44 [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86: get pg_data_t's memory from other node Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-24  1:19   ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-24  1:19     ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-26  1:19     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26  1:19       ` Tang Chen
2012-12-02 15:11   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-02 15:11     ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] page_alloc: add movable_memmap kernel parameter Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] page_alloc: Introduce zone_movable_limit[] to keep movable limit for nodes Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44   ` Tang Chen
2012-12-05 15:46   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-05 15:46     ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06  1:20     ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06  1:20       ` Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] page_alloc: Make movablecore_map has higher priority Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44   ` Tang Chen
2012-12-05 15:43   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-05 15:43     ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06  1:26     ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06  1:26       ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06  2:26       ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06  2:26         ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06  2:51         ` Jianguo Wu
2012-12-06  2:51           ` Jianguo Wu
2012-12-06  2:57           ` Tang Chen
2012-12-06  2:57             ` Tang Chen
2012-12-09  8:10         ` Tang Chen
2012-12-09  8:10           ` Tang Chen
2012-12-10  2:15           ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-10  2:15             ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-23 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] page_alloc: Bootmem limit with movablecore_map Tang Chen
2012-11-23 10:44   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:22   ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:22     ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:53     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:53       ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 12:40   ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 12:40     ` wujianguo
2012-11-26 13:15     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 13:15       ` Tang Chen
2012-11-26 15:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-26 15:48         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  0:58         ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  0:58           ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  3:19           ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  3:19             ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  3:22             ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  3:22               ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  3:34               ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  3:34                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  1:12         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-27  1:12           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-27  1:20           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  1:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  3:15         ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  3:15           ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  5:31           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  5:31             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-06 17:28             ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:28               ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-06 17:41               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-06 17:41                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-07  0:18                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-07  0:18                   ` Jiang Liu
2012-12-19  9:17     ` Tang Chen
2012-12-19  9:17       ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27  3:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Add movablecore_map boot option wujianguo
2012-11-27  3:10   ` wujianguo
2012-11-27  5:43   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27  5:43     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27  6:20     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  6:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  6:47     ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  6:47       ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-28  3:47   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28  3:47     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28  4:01     ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  4:01       ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  5:21       ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28  5:21         ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28  5:17         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  5:17           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  4:53     ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-28  4:53       ` Jianguo Wu
2012-11-27  8:00 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27  8:00   ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27  8:29   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27  8:29     ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27  8:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  8:49       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  9:47       ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  9:47         ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-27  9:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  9:53           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-27  9:59       ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-27  9:59         ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-27 12:09     ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 12:09       ` Bob Liu
2012-11-27 12:49       ` Tang Chen
2012-11-27 12:49         ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28  3:24         ` Bob Liu
2012-11-28  3:24           ` Bob Liu
2012-11-28  4:08           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  4:08             ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  6:16             ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28  6:16               ` Tang Chen
2012-11-28  7:03               ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  7:03                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  8:29             ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28  8:29               ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28  8:28               ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  8:28                 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  8:38                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-28  8:38                   ` Wen Congyang
2012-11-29  0:43               ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29  0:43                 ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29  1:24                 ` Tang Chen
2012-11-29  1:24                   ` Tang Chen
2012-11-30  9:20             ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-11-30  9:20               ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-11-28  8:47 ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28  8:47   ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-28 21:34   ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-28 21:34     ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-28 21:38     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-28 21:38       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 11:00       ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 11:00         ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 16:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 16:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 22:41           ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-29 22:41             ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-29 22:45             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-29 22:45               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30  2:56         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30  2:56           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30  3:15           ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-30  3:15             ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-30 15:36             ` Jiang Liu [this message]
2012-11-30 15:36               ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-30  2:58         ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-30  2:58           ` Luck, Tony
2012-11-30  3:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30  3:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-30 10:19           ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 10:19             ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 10:52           ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-30 10:52             ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 10:38     ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-29 10:38       ` Yasuaki Ishimatsu
2012-11-29 11:05       ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 11:05         ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29 15:47       ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:47         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:53       ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29 15:53         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29  1:42   ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29  1:42     ` Jaegeuk Hanse
2012-11-29  2:25     ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29  2:25       ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29  2:49       ` Wanpeng Li
2012-11-29  2:59         ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29  2:59           ` Jiang Liu
2012-11-29  2:49       ` Wanpeng Li
2012-11-30 22:27       ` Toshi Kani
2012-11-30 22:27         ` Toshi Kani

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