From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@android.com>,
Robert Love <rlove@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>, Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] Support volatile range for anon vma
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:22:07 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121204072207.GA9782@blaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50BD4A70.9060506@linaro.org>
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 04:57:20PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 04:00 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 08:18:01PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> >>On 11/21/2012 04:36 PM, John Stultz wrote:
> >>>2) Being able to use this with tmpfs files. I'm currently trying
> >>>to better understand the rmap code, looking to see if there's a
> >>>way to have try_to_unmap_file() work similarly to
> >>>try_to_unmap_anon(), to allow allow users to madvise() on mmapped
> >>>tmpfs files. This would provide a very similar interface as to
> >>>what I've been proposing with fadvise/fallocate, but just using
> >>>process virtual addresses instead of (fd, offset) pairs. The
> >>>benefit with (fd,offset) pairs for Android is that its easier to
> >>>manage shared volatile ranges between two processes that are
> >>>sharing data via an mmapped tmpfs file (although this actual use
> >>>case may be fairly rare). I believe we should still be able to
> >>>rework the ashmem internals to use madvise (which would provide
> >>>legacy support for existing android apps), so then its just a
> >>>question of if we could then eventually convince Android apps to
> >>>use the madvise interface directly, rather then the ashmem unpin
> >>>ioctl.
> >>Hey Minchan,
> >> I've been playing around with your patch trying to better
> >>understand your approach and to extend it to support tmpfs files. In
> >>doing so I've found a few bugs, and have some rough fixes I wanted
> >>to share. There's still a few edge cases I need to deal with (the
> >>vma-purged flag isn't being properly handled through vma merge/split
> >>operations), but its starting to come along.
> >Hmm, my patch doesn't allow to merge volatile with another one by
> >inserting VM_VOLATILE into VM_SPECIAL so I guess merge isn't problem.
> >In case of split, __split_vma copy old vma to new vma like this
> >
> > *new = *vma;
> >
> >So the problem shouldn't happen, I guess.
> >Did you see the real problem about that?
> Yes, depending on the pattern that MADV_VOLATILE and MADV_NOVOLATILE
> is applied, we can get a result where data is purged, but we aren't
> notified of it. Also, since madvise returns early if it encounters
> an error, in the case where you have checkerboard volatile regions
> (say every other page is volatile), which you mark non-volatile with
> one large MADV_NOVOLATILE call, the first volatile vma will be
> marked non-volatile, but since it returns purged, the madvise loop
> will stop and the following volatile regions will be left volatile.
>
> The patches in the git tree below which handle the perged state
> better seem to work for my tests, as far as resolving any
> overlapping calls. Of course there may yet still be problems I've
> not found.
>
> >>Anyway, take a look at the tree here and let me know what you think.
> >>http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/jstultz/android-dev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dev/minchan-anonvol
>
> Eager to hear what you think!
Below two patches look good to me.
[rmap: Simplify volatility checking by moving it out of try_to_unmap_one]
[rmap: ClearPageDirty() when returning SWAP_DISCARD]
[madvise: Fix NOVOLATILE bug]
I can't understand description of the patch.
Could you elaborate it with example?
[madvise: Fixup vma->purged handling]
I included VM_VOLATILE into VM_SPECIAL intentionally.
If comment of VM_SPECIAL is right, merge with volatile vmas shouldn't happen.
So I guess you see other problem. When I see my source code today, locking
scheme/purge handling is totally broken. I will look at it. Maybe you are seeing
bug related that. Part of patch is needed. It could be separate patch.
I will merge it.
ff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
index 65af0b5..5469d76 100644
--- a/mm/madvise.c
+++ b/mm/madvise.c
@@ -139,8 +139,10 @@ success:
if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE || behavior == MADV_VOLATILE)
volatile_lock(vma);
vma->vm_flags = new_flags;
- if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE)
+ if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE) {
error = vma->purged;
+ vma->purged = 0;
+ }
if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE || behavior == MADV_VOLATILE)
volatile_unlock(vma);
out:
First of all, after I resolve above issue, let's talk about tmpfs volatile.
Thanks for the fix, John!
>
> Thanks again!
> -john
>
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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@android.com>,
Robert Love <rlove@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>, Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] Support volatile range for anon vma
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:22:07 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121204072207.GA9782@blaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50BD4A70.9060506@linaro.org>
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 04:57:20PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 04:00 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 08:18:01PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> >>On 11/21/2012 04:36 PM, John Stultz wrote:
> >>>2) Being able to use this with tmpfs files. I'm currently trying
> >>>to better understand the rmap code, looking to see if there's a
> >>>way to have try_to_unmap_file() work similarly to
> >>>try_to_unmap_anon(), to allow allow users to madvise() on mmapped
> >>>tmpfs files. This would provide a very similar interface as to
> >>>what I've been proposing with fadvise/fallocate, but just using
> >>>process virtual addresses instead of (fd, offset) pairs. The
> >>>benefit with (fd,offset) pairs for Android is that its easier to
> >>>manage shared volatile ranges between two processes that are
> >>>sharing data via an mmapped tmpfs file (although this actual use
> >>>case may be fairly rare). I believe we should still be able to
> >>>rework the ashmem internals to use madvise (which would provide
> >>>legacy support for existing android apps), so then its just a
> >>>question of if we could then eventually convince Android apps to
> >>>use the madvise interface directly, rather then the ashmem unpin
> >>>ioctl.
> >>Hey Minchan,
> >> I've been playing around with your patch trying to better
> >>understand your approach and to extend it to support tmpfs files. In
> >>doing so I've found a few bugs, and have some rough fixes I wanted
> >>to share. There's still a few edge cases I need to deal with (the
> >>vma-purged flag isn't being properly handled through vma merge/split
> >>operations), but its starting to come along.
> >Hmm, my patch doesn't allow to merge volatile with another one by
> >inserting VM_VOLATILE into VM_SPECIAL so I guess merge isn't problem.
> >In case of split, __split_vma copy old vma to new vma like this
> >
> > *new = *vma;
> >
> >So the problem shouldn't happen, I guess.
> >Did you see the real problem about that?
> Yes, depending on the pattern that MADV_VOLATILE and MADV_NOVOLATILE
> is applied, we can get a result where data is purged, but we aren't
> notified of it. Also, since madvise returns early if it encounters
> an error, in the case where you have checkerboard volatile regions
> (say every other page is volatile), which you mark non-volatile with
> one large MADV_NOVOLATILE call, the first volatile vma will be
> marked non-volatile, but since it returns purged, the madvise loop
> will stop and the following volatile regions will be left volatile.
>
> The patches in the git tree below which handle the perged state
> better seem to work for my tests, as far as resolving any
> overlapping calls. Of course there may yet still be problems I've
> not found.
>
> >>Anyway, take a look at the tree here and let me know what you think.
> >>http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/jstultz/android-dev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dev/minchan-anonvol
>
> Eager to hear what you think!
Below two patches look good to me.
[rmap: Simplify volatility checking by moving it out of try_to_unmap_one]
[rmap: ClearPageDirty() when returning SWAP_DISCARD]
[madvise: Fix NOVOLATILE bug]
I can't understand description of the patch.
Could you elaborate it with example?
[madvise: Fixup vma->purged handling]
I included VM_VOLATILE into VM_SPECIAL intentionally.
If comment of VM_SPECIAL is right, merge with volatile vmas shouldn't happen.
So I guess you see other problem. When I see my source code today, locking
scheme/purge handling is totally broken. I will look at it. Maybe you are seeing
bug related that. Part of patch is needed. It could be separate patch.
I will merge it.
ff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
index 65af0b5..5469d76 100644
--- a/mm/madvise.c
+++ b/mm/madvise.c
@@ -139,8 +139,10 @@ success:
if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE || behavior == MADV_VOLATILE)
volatile_lock(vma);
vma->vm_flags = new_flags;
- if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE)
+ if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE) {
error = vma->purged;
+ vma->purged = 0;
+ }
if (behavior == MADV_NOVOLATILE || behavior == MADV_VOLATILE)
volatile_unlock(vma);
out:
First of all, after I resolve above issue, let's talk about tmpfs volatile.
Thanks for the fix, John!
>
> Thanks again!
> -john
>
> --
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-04 7:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-30 1:29 [RFC v2] Support volatile range for anon vma Minchan Kim
2012-10-30 1:29 ` Minchan Kim
2012-10-31 21:35 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-31 21:35 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-31 21:59 ` Paul Turner
2012-10-31 21:59 ` Paul Turner
2012-10-31 22:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-10-31 22:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-11-01 1:15 ` Paul Turner
2012-11-01 1:15 ` Paul Turner
2012-11-01 1:46 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 1:46 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 1:25 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 1:25 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 2:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-11-01 2:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-11-05 23:54 ` Arun Sharma
2012-11-05 23:54 ` Arun Sharma
2012-11-06 1:49 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-06 1:49 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-06 2:03 ` Arun Sharma
2012-11-06 2:03 ` Arun Sharma
2012-11-01 0:50 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 0:50 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 1:22 ` Paul Turner
2012-11-01 1:22 ` Paul Turner
2012-11-01 1:33 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 1:33 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 0:21 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-01 0:21 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 1:43 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-02 1:43 ` Bob Liu
2012-11-02 2:37 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 2:37 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-22 0:36 ` John Stultz
2012-11-22 0:36 ` John Stultz
2012-11-29 4:18 ` John Stultz
2012-11-29 4:18 ` John Stultz
2012-12-04 0:00 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-04 0:00 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-04 0:57 ` John Stultz
2012-12-04 0:57 ` John Stultz
2012-12-04 7:22 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2012-12-04 7:22 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-04 19:13 ` John Stultz
2012-12-04 19:13 ` John Stultz
2012-12-05 4:18 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-05 4:18 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-08 0:49 ` John Stultz
2012-12-08 0:49 ` John Stultz
2012-12-11 4:40 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-11 4:40 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-05 7:01 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-05 7:01 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-08 0:20 ` John Stultz
2012-12-08 0:20 ` John Stultz
2012-12-11 4:34 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-11 4:34 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-03 23:50 ` Minchan Kim
2012-12-03 23:50 ` Minchan Kim
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