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From: Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Add mempressure cgroup
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:36:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130109213604.GA9475@lizard.fhda.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50EDDF1E.6010705@parallels.com>

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:20:30AM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
[...]
> Given the above, I believe that ideally we should use this pressure
> mechanism in memcg replacing the current memcg notification mechanism.

Just a quick wonder: why would we need to place it into memcg, when we
don't need any of the memcg stuff for it? I see no benefits, not
design-wise, not implementation-wise or anything-wise. :)

We can use mempressure w/o memcg, and even then it can (or should :) be
useful (for cpuset, for example).

> More or less like timer expiration happens: you could still write
> numbers for compatibility, but those numbers would be internally mapped
> into the levels Anton is proposing, that makes *way* more sense.
> 
> If that is not possible, they should coexist as "notification" and a
> "pressure" mechanism inside memcg.
> 
> The main argument against it centered around cpusets also being able to
> participate in the play. I haven't yet understood how would it take
> place. In particular, I saw no mention to cpusets in the patches.

I didn't test it, but as I see it, once a process in a specific cpuset,
the task can only use a specific allowed zones for reclaim/alloc, i.e.
various checks like this in vmscan:

         if (!cpuset_zone_allowed_hardwall(zone, GFP_KERNEL))
                     continue;

So, vmscan simply won't call vmpressure() if the zone is not allowed (so
we won't account that pressure, from that zone).

Thanks,
Anton

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From: Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Add mempressure cgroup
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:36:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130109213604.GA9475@lizard.fhda.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50EDDF1E.6010705@parallels.com>

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:20:30AM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
[...]
> Given the above, I believe that ideally we should use this pressure
> mechanism in memcg replacing the current memcg notification mechanism.

Just a quick wonder: why would we need to place it into memcg, when we
don't need any of the memcg stuff for it? I see no benefits, not
design-wise, not implementation-wise or anything-wise. :)

We can use mempressure w/o memcg, and even then it can (or should :) be
useful (for cpuset, for example).

> More or less like timer expiration happens: you could still write
> numbers for compatibility, but those numbers would be internally mapped
> into the levels Anton is proposing, that makes *way* more sense.
> 
> If that is not possible, they should coexist as "notification" and a
> "pressure" mechanism inside memcg.
> 
> The main argument against it centered around cpusets also being able to
> participate in the play. I haven't yet understood how would it take
> place. In particular, I saw no mention to cpusets in the patches.

I didn't test it, but as I see it, once a process in a specific cpuset,
the task can only use a specific allowed zones for reclaim/alloc, i.e.
various checks like this in vmscan:

         if (!cpuset_zone_allowed_hardwall(zone, GFP_KERNEL))
                     continue;

So, vmscan simply won't call vmpressure() if the zone is not allowed (so
we won't account that pressure, from that zone).

Thanks,
Anton

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-09 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-04  8:27 [PATCH 0/2] Mempressure cgroup Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-04  8:27 ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-04  8:29 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add mempressure cgroup Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-04  8:29   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-04 15:05   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-01-04 15:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-01-07  8:51   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-01-07  8:51     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-01-08  7:29     ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-08  7:29       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-08  7:57       ` leonid.moiseichuk
2013-01-08  7:57         ` leonid.moiseichuk
2013-01-08  8:24       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-01-08  8:24         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-01-08  8:49   ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-08  8:49     ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-09 22:14     ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-09 22:14       ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-11  5:12       ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-11  5:12         ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-11  5:38         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-11  5:38           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-11  5:56           ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-11  5:56             ` Minchan Kim
2013-01-11  6:09             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-11  6:09               ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-08 21:44   ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-08 21:44     ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-09 14:10     ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 14:10       ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 20:28       ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-09 20:28         ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-09  8:56   ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09  8:56     ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09  9:15     ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-09  9:15       ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-09 13:43       ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 13:43         ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 20:37   ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 20:37     ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 20:39     ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 20:39       ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 21:20     ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 21:20       ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-09 21:36       ` Anton Vorontsov [this message]
2013-01-09 21:36         ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-09 21:55         ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 21:55           ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 22:04           ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 22:04             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 22:06           ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-09 22:06             ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-09 22:21             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-09 22:21               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-10  7:18             ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-10  7:18               ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-13  8:50   ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-13  8:50     ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-13  8:52   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-01-13  8:52   ` Wanpeng Li
2013-01-04  8:29 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add shrinker interface for " Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-04  8:29   ` Anton Vorontsov
2013-01-11 19:13 ` [PATCH 0/2] Mempressure cgroup Luiz Capitulino
2013-01-11 19:13   ` Luiz Capitulino

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