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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] vhost_net: remove the max pending check
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:53:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130825115344.GB1829@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52172395.9000400@redhat.com>

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 04:55:49PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On 08/20/2013 10:48 AM, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On 08/16/2013 06:02 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 01:16:30PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>> >> We used to limit the max pending DMAs to prevent guest from pinning too many
> >>> >> pages. But this could be removed since:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - We have the sk_wmem_alloc check in both tun/macvtap to do the same work
> >>> >> - This max pending check were almost useless since it was one done when there's
> >>> >>   no new buffers coming from guest. Guest can easily exceeds the limitation.
> >>> >> - We've already check upend_idx != done_idx and switch to non zerocopy then. So
> >>> >>   even if all vq->heads were used, we can still does the packet transmission.
> >> > We can but performance will suffer.
> > The check were in fact only done when no new buffers submitted from
> > guest. So if guest keep sending, the check won't be done.
> >
> > If we really want to do this, we should do it unconditionally. Anyway, I
> > will do test to see the result.
> 
> There's a bug in PATCH 5/6, the check:
> 
> nvq->upend_idx != nvq->done_idx
> 
> makes the zerocopy always been disabled since we initialize both
> upend_idx and done_idx to zero. So I change it to:
> 
> (nvq->upend_idx + 1) % UIO_MAXIOV != nvq->done_idx.

But what I would really like to try is limit ubuf_info to VHOST_MAX_PEND.
I think this has a chance to improve performance since
we'll be using less cache.
Of course this means we must fix the code to really never submit
more than VHOST_MAX_PEND requests.

Want to try?
> 
> With this change on top, I didn't see performance difference w/ and w/o
> this patch.

Did you try small message sizes btw (like 1K)? Or just netperf
default of 64K?

-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] vhost_net: remove the max pending check
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:53:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130825115344.GB1829@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52172395.9000400@redhat.com>

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 04:55:49PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On 08/20/2013 10:48 AM, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On 08/16/2013 06:02 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 01:16:30PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>> >> We used to limit the max pending DMAs to prevent guest from pinning too many
> >>> >> pages. But this could be removed since:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - We have the sk_wmem_alloc check in both tun/macvtap to do the same work
> >>> >> - This max pending check were almost useless since it was one done when there's
> >>> >>   no new buffers coming from guest. Guest can easily exceeds the limitation.
> >>> >> - We've already check upend_idx != done_idx and switch to non zerocopy then. So
> >>> >>   even if all vq->heads were used, we can still does the packet transmission.
> >> > We can but performance will suffer.
> > The check were in fact only done when no new buffers submitted from
> > guest. So if guest keep sending, the check won't be done.
> >
> > If we really want to do this, we should do it unconditionally. Anyway, I
> > will do test to see the result.
> 
> There's a bug in PATCH 5/6, the check:
> 
> nvq->upend_idx != nvq->done_idx
> 
> makes the zerocopy always been disabled since we initialize both
> upend_idx and done_idx to zero. So I change it to:
> 
> (nvq->upend_idx + 1) % UIO_MAXIOV != nvq->done_idx.

But what I would really like to try is limit ubuf_info to VHOST_MAX_PEND.
I think this has a chance to improve performance since
we'll be using less cache.
Of course this means we must fix the code to really never submit
more than VHOST_MAX_PEND requests.

Want to try?
> 
> With this change on top, I didn't see performance difference w/ and w/o
> this patch.

Did you try small message sizes btw (like 1K)? Or just netperf
default of 64K?

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-25 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-16  5:16 [PATCH 0/6] vhost code cleanup and minor enhancement Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 1/6] vhost_net: make vhost_zerocopy_signal_used() returns void Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 2/6] vhost_net: use vhost_add_used_and_signal_n() in vhost_zerocopy_signal_used() Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  9:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-16  9:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-20  2:33     ` Jason Wang
2013-08-20  2:33       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-23  8:50       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-23  8:50         ` Jason Wang
2013-08-25 11:48         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-25 11:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 3/6] vhost: switch to use vhost_add_used_n() Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  9:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-16  9:56     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-20  2:36     ` Jason Wang
2013-08-20  2:36       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 4/6] vhost_net: determine whether or not to use zerocopy at one time Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 5/6] vhost_net: poll vhost queue after marking DMA is done Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16 10:00   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-16 10:00     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-20  2:44     ` Jason Wang
2013-08-20  2:44       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16 ` [PATCH 6/6] vhost_net: remove the max pending check Jason Wang
2013-08-16  5:16   ` Jason Wang
2013-08-16 10:02   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-16 10:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-20  2:48     ` Jason Wang
2013-08-20  2:48       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-23  8:55       ` Jason Wang
2013-08-23  8:55         ` Jason Wang
2013-08-25 11:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-08-25 11:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-26  7:00           ` Jason Wang
2013-08-26  7:00             ` Jason Wang
2013-08-30  3:23           ` Jason Wang
2013-08-30  3:23             ` Jason Wang

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